Properties of Electric Charges-review prob

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The problem involves calculating the number of electrons in a neutral silver pin and determining how many additional electrons are needed to achieve a specific negative charge. The subject area is electric charge and atomic structure.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the number of electrons based on the mass of silver and its atomic properties but expresses confusion regarding part (b) of the problem. Some participants suggest focusing on the additional charge required rather than the total charge of the electrons in the pin. Others question the interpretation of how to relate the additional electrons to the existing number of electrons.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the meaning of the question about the ratio of added electrons to existing electrons. Some guidance has been offered through analogies to clarify the concept, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

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The original poster mentions uncertainty about their calculations and the potential for misunderstanding the problem's requirements. There is a focus on how to interpret the question regarding the relationship between added electrons and the existing number.

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Homework Statement



(a). Calculate the number of electrons in a small, electrically neutral silver pin that has a mass of 10g. Silver has 47 electrons per atom, and its molar mass is 107.87 g/mol.
(b). Imagine adding electrons to the pin until the negative charge has the very large value of 1.00 mC. How many electrons are added for every 10^9 electrons already present?

2. The attempt at a solution

This problem seems rather simple, but for some reason part b is not making any sense to me... maybe i messed up part a, even though I've checked it through a few times...

(a) 10g/107.87(g/mol) = .0927 mol
.0927 x (6.022 x 10^23)(avgr #) x 47 electrons, which gives me 2.62 x 10^24 electrons in this 10g of silver.

(b). When I multiplied 2.62 x 10^24 (electrons) by -1.602 x 10^-19, which is the charge for a single electron, the final charge i got was 419814.96, which is obviously much larger than 1 mC.

Any idea where i went wrong on this old review problem?
 
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Instead of figuring out the total charge of all the electrons in the neutral silver pin (which was not asked), start by figuring out how many electrons must be added to give the pin the extra charge of -1.00 mC.
 
Doc Al said:
Instead of figuring out the total charge of all the electrons in the neutral silver pin (which was not asked), start by figuring out how many electrons must be added to give the pin the extra charge of -1.00 mC.

hey, I am stuck on this problem too.

i found the number of electron to give that extra charge...but I am confused when the questions asks "how many electrons are added for every 10^9 electrons already present"...i just don't understand what that means...are we suppose to divide out answer by 10^9 to get some type of fractional answer?
thanks for any help! :)
 
I agree that it's a bit confusing. Here's an analogous problem: Say you have 5 million dollars in the bank. You add 10 dollars. How many dollars did you add for every million dollars already in the account? Answer $2.

Do this problem the same way. How many billions (10^9) of electrons are already present?
 
Doc Al said:
I agree that it's a bit confusing. Here's an analogous problem: Say you have 5 million dollars in the bank. You add 10 dollars. How many dollars did you add for every million dollars already in the account? Answer $2.

Do this problem the same way. How many billions (10^9) of electrons are already present?

wow. thanks so much, that analogy really helped! :biggrin:
 

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