Properties of this electric field

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of a specific electric field represented by the vector field E=E_0(-sin(ϕ),cos(ϕ),0)^T, particularly its effects on a metallic sphere placed within it. Participants explore whether this field induces a dipole moment, creates a current, or has other effects, while considering the nature of the field and the configuration of the sphere.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the meaning of ϕ, questioning whether it is a coordinate or a parameter and its dependence on other factors.
  • One participant suggests that the electric field may create a dipole moment in general, while another argues that it does not create a current in equilibrium.
  • There is a discussion about the spherical coordinates, with a participant clarifying that ϕ represents the angle from 0 to 2π.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of the field being a rotation field around the z-axis and whether it can be considered a static setup.
  • Some participants assert that due to the symmetry of the problem, a dipole moment may not be induced if the sphere is at the origin, while others suggest that the sphere must influence the field in some manner.
  • One participant proposes that the electric field configuration is not stable and questions the source of the field, suggesting that a time-dependent current could be involved.
  • A later reply indicates that the field configuration does not represent an electrostatic field, as it does not satisfy the condition for electrostatics.
  • Another participant discusses the possibility of using numerical simulations to analyze the induced dipole moment of the sphere in the electric field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of the electric field on the metallic sphere, with no consensus reached regarding whether a dipole moment is induced or if the field has other effects. The discussion remains unresolved on several points, particularly regarding the nature of the electric field and its implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the electric field may not represent a static configuration and raises questions about the stability of the field around the sphere. The discussion also highlights the complexity of analyzing the induced dipole moment analytically, suggesting that numerical methods may be necessary.

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I have the following vector field:E=E_0(-sin(\phi),cos(\phi),0)^T and [/itex]E_0[/itex] is some constant. Does anybody here have an idea what this electric field does to a metallic sphere that is in it? Thereby I mean, does it create a dipole moment or does it create a current and so on?
 
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What is ϕ? Is it a coordinate (in which way?), is it a parameter, does it depend on anything?

does it create a dipole moment
In general, yes.
or does it create a current
Not in equilibrium.
 
it is the 0 to 2pi angle of the spherical coordinates
 
So (1,0,0) has ϕ=0?
In other words, E is rotating around the z-axis?
This cannot be the electric field of a static setup.

Where is the metallic sphere?
 
The origin of the sphere is at (0,0,0). Yeah, probably it is a rotation field around the z-axis. I do not understand what you mean by (1,0,0) ?

Do you know how to calculate the dipole moment that is induced by this field?
 
Frankly, it would be even better if you could give me a general idea of how to calculate the dipole moment of a sphere in an electric field.
 
Due to the symmetry of the problem, you don't get a dipole moment if the sphere is in the origin.

Frankly, it would be even better if you could give me a general idea of how to calculate the dipole moment of a sphere in an electric field.
In general, a conducting sphere in an electric field is hard to analyze in an analytic way. A numerical simulation is possible.
 
So basically this field does nothing to our sphere or can you think of some effect that will happen due to this field?
 
Well, the sphere has to influence the field in some way, as an electric field perpendicular to the surface is not a stable configuration. Where does your field come from? A natural source would be a time-dependent current in z-direction*, but that current would have to go through your sphere (and through everything else) - and the current would grow without bound, which is not a very physical setup.*edit: no, that would give this field configuration as magnetic field. You need something more complicated
 
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Gavroy said:
I have the following vector field:E=E_0(-sin(\phi),cos(\phi),0)^T and E_0 is some constant. Does anybody here have an idea what this electric field does to a metallic sphere that is in it? Thereby I mean, does it create a dipole moment or does it create a current and so on?

Looks like you just have a uniform electric field (before the conducting sphere is brought in). The field is parallel to the xy plane and points in a direction that makes an angle ##\phi## to the y-axis.

This problem is worked out in many EM texts (with the initial uniform field usually along one of the axes). Placing the sphere in the electric field causes a nonuniform surface charge density to be induced on the sphere. This surface charge produces an electric field outside the sphere that has the same form as the electric field of a dipole. So, the total electric field outside the sphere will be the superposition of the uniform field and the dipole field of the induced charge.

This solution is usually obtained by first solving Laplace's equation for the electric potential and then using the potential to get the field. See for example here.

An alternate approach is to use the method of images. See http://archive.org/stream/ClassicalElectrodynamics/Jackson-ClassicalElectrodynamics#page/n51/mode/2up.
 
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TSny said:
Looks like you just have a uniform electric field (before the conducting sphere is brought in). The field is parallel to the xy plane and points in a direction that makes an angle ##\phi## to the y-axis.
ϕ is a coordinate, it depends on the position.
 
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mfb said:
ϕ is a coordinate, it depends on the position.

Hello, mfb.
I guess I misinterpreted the notation. I thought ##E = E_0(-sin(\phi), cos(\phi), 0)^T## was just a way of saying that ##E_x = -E_0sin(\phi)##, ##E_y = E_0cos(\phi)##, and ##E_z = 0## where ##\phi## is a some constant.

I see now that earlier Gavroy stated that ##\phi## is apparently the azimuthal angle in spherical coordinates.

So, I'm confused now as to what the components in ##E = E_0(-sin(\phi), cos(\phi), 0)^T## represent. Are they Cartesian components ##E_x, E_y, E_z## or spherical components ##E_r, E_\theta, E_\phi##, or something else?
 
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OK, does this picture represent the field and the sphere, (i.e., a cross-section through the sphere parallel to the xy plane)? This assumes the components given in the OP are Cartesian and ##\phi## is azimuthal angle.

Clearly this field doesn't represent an electrostatic field, as ##\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{E} \neq 0##. It would have to be generated with a particular time-varying magnetic field such that ##\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{E} = -\frac{\partial \vec{B}}{\partial t}##. Don't know if this is possible. [EDIT: I guess you could have a magnetic field in the negative z direction that increases proportional to time and has a magnitude that falls off inversely as the distance from the z-axis.]
 

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