Propogating Relative Error through an Energy Calculation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the propagation of relative error in an energy calculation related to building chilled water use, specifically focusing on how to incorporate known relative errors from temperature sensors and flow meters into the energy equation.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • McGarey seeks to understand how to propagate relative errors from temperature and flow measurements through the energy calculation equation E(btu) = (return temp - supply temp)*flow*500.
  • Some participants suggest that absolute error must be calculated first before converting to relative error, which is contingent on having the actual temperature values.
  • There is a question about whether relative error can be used in place of absolute error when actual values are not available.
  • One participant notes that an estimate of the temperature can be used to calculate the error in the difference of temperatures, but emphasizes the need for the actual difference to propagate this error accurately.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for relative error to become very large if the difference between the temperatures is close to zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that absolute error needs to be established before converting to relative error, but there is uncertainty regarding the use of relative error in the absence of actual temperature values. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take without specific data.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependency on actual temperature values for accurate error propagation and the potential for high relative error when the temperature difference is small.

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Greetings,

I have a work requirement to calculate building chilled water use based on known supply temp (deg F), return temp (deg F) and flow (GPM). I would like to know the relative error associated with the energy calculation. Based on the product data for the sensing equipment, I know that the temp sensor have relative error of 1%, and the flow meter has a relative error of 0.5%.

I am struggling to understand how to propagate those errors through my energy equation

E(btu) = (return temp - supply temp)*flow*500.

After browsing the internet, I understand that to propagate absolute error across additions or subtractions, you should square each value, add them, and take the resulting square root. Does this formula also apply for relative error?

As for multiplication and division, I understand that you should use the same formula described above, except each term should be the error/the value. My issue is, I don't have the data yet, so I don't know what the value is yet. cal I simply substitute the relative error in place of the error/value ratio?

Thank you in advance for your thoughts and input.

-McGarey
 
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Welcome to PF, mcgarey! :smile:

You have it right.
But you will need the values of return temp and supply temp to calculate first the absolute error of their difference, and then convert that to a relative error, which is relative to the difference.
 
What if I don't have that information yet? Can I calculate the error of the difference in temperature using the relative error given on the sensor product information?

Thanks, McGarey
 
Yes, if you have an estimate of the temperature, that suffices to calculate the error in the difference of the temperatures.

However, when you want to propagate this to the product, you need to determine the relative error of the difference.
For this you need the actual difference.
This is important, because the difference could be close to zero, in which case the relative error skyrockets.
 

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