Proportional plus derivative controller

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the proportional-plus-derivative (PD) controller, specifically addressing a participant's interpretation of a previous thread's conclusions regarding the controller's behavior in response to a step change. The scope includes theoretical aspects of control systems and mathematical reasoning related to the controller's performance.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the correctness of a previous thread's conclusion about the PD controller's response, suggesting their own calculations yield different results.
  • The participant presents specific values for proportional band and gain, along with a proposed response graph based on their calculations.
  • Another participant requests additional information and resources related to proportional-plus-derivative control to assist the original poster.
  • Several participants express uncertainty about the mathematical details behind the initial participant's claims.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus, as there are differing interpretations of the PD controller's behavior and the correctness of the presented graph. Multiple competing views remain regarding the mathematical analysis.

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Limitations include potential missing assumptions in the calculations, dependence on specific definitions of terms, and unresolved mathematical steps in the proposed analysis.

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Homework Statement
FIGURE 6 shows a proportional plus derivative controller that has a proportional band of 20% and a derivative action time of 0.1 minutes. Construct the shape of the output waveform for the triangular input waveform shown, if the input rises and falls at the rate of 4 units per minute.
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Hello,

There is a thread related to this question however it was marked correct but doesn't look correct to me?

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/step-change-in-a-proportional-plus-integral-controller.961180/

I think I have it but it is quite different to other answers I have seen?
I have found
PB=20% hence gain=5
dAT = 0.1min = 6s
Would rise and peak at 2units at 30s however due to gain this will be 10units, hence change due to derivative would be:
10/30 * 6s = 2units, then once peaked at 30s it would reduce by the same derivative and create the following graph:
1610371239922.png
 
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spoto2 said:
Find out information about proportional-plus-derivative control. Control in which the control signal is a linear combination of the error signal and its derivative.
Can you post some links to such information that would be helpful for the Original Poster (OP)? Thanks.
 
@spoto2 @berkeman

Sorry I've looked at a few different sources but my graph still looks correct to me, any advice?
 
Not one of my areas of expertise, unfortunately. Jim is no longer with us (RIP), but @rude man still is at PF... :smile:
 
Hi Jason, Just wondered what your maths is behind this?
 
Tromso80 said:
Hi Jason, Just wondered what your maths is behind this?

The maths is in the first post, which part are you unsure of?
 

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