Prove intersection of convex cones is convex.

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The discussion revolves around proving that the intersection and sum of convex cones are also convex cones, within the context of real vector spaces. Participants are exploring the definitions and properties of convex cones to support their arguments.

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  • Participants discuss the definition of a convex cone and attempt to apply it to the intersection and sum of two convex cones. Some express confusion about how the properties of convex cones apply in these cases, particularly regarding the intersection.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing their understanding and questioning each other's reasoning. Some have provided insights into the properties of convex cones, while others are seeking clarification on specific points, particularly regarding the union of convex cones.

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1. Let A and B be convex cones in a real vector space V. Show that A[itex]\bigcap[/itex]B and A + B are also convex cones.
 
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First state the definition of a convex cone, and then try to prove it. People will help if you show some effort first.
 
well set C is a convex cone if for any x,y [itex]\in[/itex] C and any scalars a≥0, b≥0, ax + by [itex]\in[/itex] C

so let A and B be convex cones.
A[itex]\bigcap[/itex]B would contain all elements x [itex]\in[/itex] both A and B.
This is where I am having trouble.
 
other properties of convex cones:

1. for any positive scalar α and any x [itex]\in[/itex] C, the vector αx = (α/2)x + (α/2)x is in C.

2. set C is a convex cone if and only if αC = C and C + C = C.

perhaps my trouble is coming from the fact that I do not fully understand how these properties work.
 
jvt05 said:
well set C is a convex cone if for any x,y [itex]\in[/itex] C and any scalars a≥0, b≥0, ax + by [itex]\in[/itex] C

so let A and B be convex cones.
A[itex]\bigcap[/itex]B would contain all elements x [itex]\in[/itex] both A and B.
This is where I am having trouble.

I'm having problems trying to follow your problem here. If x and y are in A then ax+by is in A, right? If x and y are in B then ax+by is in B, also right? If x and y are in AnB then they are in BOTH A and B. Doesn't that make ax+by in BOTH A and B? Hence an element of AnB?
 
Hello. I don't want to create a new topic. I have very similar question about convex cone. I know what intersection and sum of two convex cones are also convex cone. But what's about union. The answer is that union of two convex cones may not be convex cone. But I can't understand why? Any thoughts? Thanks
 
trenekas said:
Hello. I don't want to create a new topic. I have very similar question about convex cone. I know what intersection and sum of two convex cones are also convex cone. But what's about union. The answer is that union of two convex cones may not be convex cone. But I can't understand why? Any thoughts? Thanks

Can you find a counterexample??

Take two cones in real life, is their union a cone?
 
OK. Thanks. But if one cone is subset of other then answer would be yes? I am right?
 
trenekas said:
OK. Thanks. But if one cone is subset of other when answer would be yes? I am right?

Indeed.
 

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