Prove Isomorphic Groups: (\mathbb Z_4,_{+4}) and (\langle i\rangle, \cdot)

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The discussion revolves around proving that the group (\mathbb Z_4,_{+4}) is isomorphic to the group (\langle i\rangle,\cdot), focusing on group isomorphism concepts and the structure of these groups.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the structure of (\mathbb Z_4,_{+4}) and the subgroup generated by i in the complex numbers. Questions arise about defining the subgroup and constructing Cayley's tables for both groups. There is discussion on how to define an isomorphism and the implications of specific mappings.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the definitions and properties of the groups involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of Cayley's tables and the nature of homomorphisms, but no consensus has been reached on the specific method for defining the isomorphism.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the definitions of the groups and the requirements for establishing an isomorphism. Some participants express the need for further clarification on the topic, suggesting that additional support may be necessary.

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Homework Statement


Show that the group (\mathbb Z_4,_{+4}) is isomorphic to (\langle i\rangle,\cdot)?

Homework Equations


-Group isomorphism

The Attempt at a Solution



Let \mathbb Z_4=\{0,1,2,3\}.
(\mathbb Z_4,_{+4}) can be represented using Cayley's table:
<br /> \begin{array}{c|lcr}<br /> {_{+4}} &amp; 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 2 &amp; 3 \\<br /> \hline<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 2 &amp; 3 \\<br /> 1 &amp; 1 &amp; 2 &amp; 3 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 2 &amp; 2 &amp; 3 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\<br /> 3 &amp; 3 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 2 \\<br /> \end{array}<br />

What is the set \langle i\rangle?
How to define (\langle i\rangle,\cdot)?
 
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The subgroup of ##(\mathbb{C},\cdot)## generated by ##i##.
 
micromass said:
The subgroup of ##(\mathbb{C},\cdot)## generated by ##i##.
What should be the order of that subgroup, and how to represent it using Cayley's table?
 
gruba said:
What should be the order of that subgroup, and how to represent it using Cayley's table?
Why don't you try figuring it out? What is ##i^2##?
 
gruba said:

Homework Statement


Show that the group (\mathbb Z_4,_{+4}) is isomorphic to (\langle i\rangle,\cdot)?
Should this be ##(\mathbb{Z_4}, +)##?
A group is defined by a set of elements of the group, together with an operation.

gruba said:

Homework Equations


-Group isomorphism

The Attempt at a Solution



Let \mathbb Z_4=\{0,1,2,3\}.
(\mathbb Z_4,_{+4}) can be represented using Cayley's table:
<br /> \begin{array}{c|lcr}<br /> {_{+4}} &amp; 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 2 &amp; 3 \\<br /> \hline<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 2 &amp; 3 \\<br /> 1 &amp; 1 &amp; 2 &amp; 3 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 2 &amp; 2 &amp; 3 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\<br /> 3 &amp; 3 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 2 \\<br /> \end{array}<br />

What is the set \langle i\rangle?
How to define (\langle i\rangle,\cdot)?
 
Could someone explain this problem (using Cayley's tables - easier)? How to form Cayley's table for the group (\langle i\rangle,\cdot)?

One method to show the groups are isomorphic is to create Cayley's tables and compare them (that is only useful for small groups).
I don't understand the method which requires finding the function (isomorphism) between these groups
 
gruba said:
Could someone explain this problem (using Cayley's tables - easier)? How to form Cayley's table for the group (\langle i\rangle,\cdot)?
Why don't you try what Orodruin suggested -- find i2, i3, and so on. This is not a hard problem.
gruba said:
One method to show the groups are isomorphic is to create Cayley's tables and compare them (that is only useful for small groups).
I don't understand the method which requires finding the function (isomorphism) between these groups
 
Mark44 said:
Why don't you try what Orodruin suggested -- find i2, i3, and so on. This is not a hard problem.

Let f:\mathbb Z_4\rightarrow \langle i\rangle=\{i^0,i^1,i^2,i^3\}=\{1,i,-1,-i\} where f is an isomorphism.
From here, how to explicitly define a function f?
 
gruba said:
From here, how to explicitly define a function fff?
What do you think? There are only four possibilities of defining a homomorphism (it is fully defined by specifying how f acts on the group generator). Two of them give isomorphisms!
 
  • #10
Orodruin said:
What do you think? There are only four possibilities of defining a homomorphism (it is fully defined by specifying how f acts on the group generator). Two of them give isomorphisms!
f(x)=e^x is one isomorphism.
 
  • #11
gruba said:
f(x)=e^x is one isomorphism.
Not between the given groups.
 
  • #12
Orodruin said:
Not between the given groups.
f(x)=e^{2\pi x i}?
 
  • #13
If I define ##f(0) = 1## and if I say ##f## is a homomorphism, can you figure out ##f(1)##, ##f(2)## and ##f(3)##? That is, can you describe ##f## completely??
 
  • #14
micromass said:
If I define ##f(0) = 1## and if I say ##f## is a homomorphism, can you figure out ##f(1)##, ##f(2)## and ##f(3)##? That is, can you describe ##f## completely??
f(0)=1,f(1)=i,f(2)=-1,f(3)=-i.

Using Lagrange interpolation polynomial on points (0,1),(1,i),(2,-1),(3,-i) gives
f(x)=-\frac{(x-1)(x-2)(x-3)}{6}+i\frac{x(x-2)(x-3)}{2}+\frac{x(x-1)(x-3)}{2}-i\frac{x(x-1)(x-2)}{6}.

But f(x) is not one to one.

What is the actual method for describing an isomorphism, without taking a guess?
 
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  • #15
@gruba I'm guessing that the lack of further replies is caused by your last reply. It appears to me that you need more help than can be provided under the rules of this forum. My suggestion to is that you need to schedule a personal meeting with your teacher to clear up your misunderstandings on this topic.
 
  • #16
gruba said:
But f(x) is not one to one.

It is one-to-one on the relevant sets. You have specified f(x) for all elements of ##\mathbb Z_4##, there is absolutely no need to express it in terms of a polynomial (why would you think there was?).
 

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