Prove that A is reversible matrix if B is reversible

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The discussion revolves around proving the reversibility of matrix A given that matrix B (denoted as \(\widetilde{A}\)) is reversible. The participants explore properties of determinants and matrix inverses within the context of linear algebra.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the implications of \(\widetilde{A}\) being reversible and how that relates to the determinant of A. They consider cases based on the value of the determinant, questioning how to prove A's reversibility from the properties of \(\widetilde{A}\).

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants examining different cases for the determinant of A. Some have suggested that if \(\det(A) = 0\), then A cannot be reversible, while others are exploring the implications of \(\det(A) \neq 0\). There is recognition of a potential contradiction that needs to be addressed regarding the conditions under which \(\widetilde{A}\) is invertible.

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Participants are working under the assumption that they need to prove the relationship between the determinants and the reversibility of matrices, while also considering the implications of the determinant being zero or non-zero.

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Using A\widetilde{A}=(detA)I prove that \widetilde{A} is reversible matrix if and only if A is reversible. Also prove det(\widetilde{A})=(detA)^{n-1} for any square matrix A.

First part:
1. direction:
Lets say \widetilde{A} is reversible, this means that \widetilde{A}\widetilde{A}^{-1}=I and det\widetilde{A}\neq 0.

A\widetilde{A}=(detA)I can than be written as:
A=(detA)\widetilde{A}^{-1} but now I don't know what else I can do here to prove that A is reversible?
 
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skrat said:
but now I don't know what else I can do here to prove that A is reversible?
Try to find a matrix, which, if multiplied by (detA)\widetilde{A}^{-1}, gives I.
 
mfb said:
Try to find a matrix, which, if multiplied by (detA)\widetilde{A}^{-1}, gives I.

Something like ((detA)\widetilde{A}^{-1})^{-1}? But I have absoulutely no reason to believe that (detA)\neq 0 (that's what I am trying to prove).

((detA)\widetilde{A}^{-1})^{-1}
(detA)^{-1}\widetilde{A}
 
Then do it as two separate cases:
Suppose det(A)= 0. Then what?

Suppose det(A)\ne 0. Then what?
 
HallsofIvy said:
Then do it as two separate cases:
Suppose det(A)= 0. Then what?

Suppose det(A)\ne 0. Then what?

Hmm, why don't I have brains like you? That would really help me! :D

Case No.1: suppose det(A)\ne 0
A=(detA)\widetilde{A}^{-1} I can than multiply both sides with (detA)^{-1}\widetilde{A} which gives me
(detA)^{-1}\widetilde{A}A=((detA)\widetilde{A}^{-1})((detA)^{-1}\widetilde{A})
(detA)^{-1}\widetilde{A}A=I
So A is reversible and A^{-1}=(detA)^{-1}\widetilde{A}

Case No.2: suppose detA=0
A=(detA)\widetilde{A}^{-1}
A=0

So if detA=0 than A is not reversible by definition?

Does that sound right?
 
skrat said:
Hmm, why don't I have brains like you? That would really help me! :D

Case No.1: suppose det(A)\ne 0
A=(detA)\widetilde{A}^{-1} I can than multiply both sides with (detA)^{-1}\widetilde{A} which gives me
(detA)^{-1}\widetilde{A}A=((detA)\widetilde{A}^{-1})((detA)^{-1}\widetilde{A})
(detA)^{-1}\widetilde{A}A=I
So A is reversible and A^{-1}=(detA)^{-1}\widetilde{A}

Right

Case No.2: suppose detA=0
A=(detA)\widetilde{A}^{-1}
A=0

So if detA=0 than A is not reversible by definition?

It is correct that ##A## will not be reversible. But it's not good enough. You are proving that if ##\tilde{A}## is invertible, then ##A## is invertible.
You have now found that if ##det(A)=0## and ##\tilde{A}## is invertible, then ##A## is not invertible. So you have found a situation where ##\tilde{A}## is invertible and ##A## is not invertible, but you had to prove that ##A## is always inverible whenever ##\tilde{A}## was. This is an apparent contradiction! To solve it, you must prove that the situation ##det(A)=0## and ##\tilde{A}## invertible never occurs! So you need to prove that if ##det(A)=0## and ##\tilde{A}## is invetible, then some contradiction occurs!
 
micromass said:
To solve it, you must prove that the situation ##det(A)=0## and ##\tilde{A}## invertible never occurs! So you need to prove that if ##det(A)=0## and ##\tilde{A}## is invetible, then some contradiction occurs!

Hmmm, I can see where this is going but up to this moment I haven't got a good idea yet. We often proved this kind of statement using paradox:
Let's say that ##A## is invertible and show that this statement will lead us to paradox and prove that ##A## is NOT invertible.

Hmm, if ##A## is invertible, than ##detA\neq 0## but one of the previous condition says that ##detA=0## and this is paradox, so ##A## is NOT invertible.

I tried using the same idea in equation: (so ##detA=0##, ##AA^{-1}=I## and ##\tilde{A}\tilde{A}^{-1}=I##)

##A\tilde{A}=(detA)I## but I didn't get really far this way... all I found out is that ##I=(detA)\tilde{A}^{-1}A^{-1}## where I can see that ##A=(detA)\tilde{A}^{-1}## which was obvious before too...
 

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