Property of Determinants Answers Check

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The discussion revolves around properties of determinants in relation to square matrices, specifically focusing on proving various statements involving determinants and matrix equations.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between determinants and matrix transformations, questioning the validity of certain steps in their proofs.
  • There are attempts to clarify the implications of matrix properties and the significance of the matrix size being odd in relation to determinants.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their reasoning and seek confirmation on their interpretations of the equations presented.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's attempts and raising questions about specific steps and assumptions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the implications of matrix properties, particularly in the context of odd dimensions.

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There are noted typos and potential misunderstandings in the original statements of the problems, which participants are addressing. The discussion also highlights the importance of understanding the properties of determinants in relation to matrix operations.

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Homework Statement


Let A and P be square matrices of the same size with P invertible, Prove detA=det(P-1AP)

Homework Equations


Suppose that A and B are square matrices of the same size. Then det(AB)=det(A)det(B)

The Attempt at a Solution



detA=det(P-1AP)
detA=det(P-1PA)
detA=det(IA)
detA=1*detA
detA=detA

SECOND QUESTION:

Homework Statement



Let A be an nxn matrix. Prove that if matrix A satisfies 7A2+8A+3I=[0]

Homework Equations



Invertible Matrix Theorem

The Attempt at a Solution



7A2+8A+3I=[0]
7A2+8A = -3I
A(7A+8)=-3I

From this point I don't know if I am headed towards the correct answer or have the right idea THIRD QUESTION:

Homework Statement


Suppose A is an nxn matrix satisfying AT+A=[0], where n is odd. Prove detA=0.

Homework Equations


detAT=detA

The Attempt at a Solution



AT+A=[0]
AT=-A
detAT=det(-A)
since detAT=detA
detA=det(-A)

I think I've got the right idea...
 
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muzziMsyed21 said:

Homework Statement


Let A and P be square matrices of the same size with P invertible, Prove detA=det(P-1AP)

Homework Equations


Suppose that A and B are square matrices of the same size. Then det(AB)=det(A)det(B)

The Attempt at a Solution



detA=det(P-1AP)
detA=det(P-1PA)
You can't do this (above). Matrix multiplication is not generally commutative, so in general, AP ≠ PA
muzziMsyed21 said:
detA=det(IA)
detA=1*detA
detA=detA

SECOND QUESTION:

Homework Statement



Let A be an nxn matrix. Prove that if matrix A satisfies 7A2+8A+3A=[0]
Typo in your equation?
muzziMsyed21 said:

Homework Equations



Invertible Matrix Theorem

The Attempt at a Solution



7A2+8A+3A=[0]
Typo?
muzziMsyed21 said:
7A2+8A = -3I
A(7A+8)=-3I

From this point I don't know if I am headed towards the correct answer or have the right idea THIRD QUESTION:

Homework Statement


Suppose A is an nxn matrix satisfying AT+A=[0], where n is odd. Prove detA=0.

Homework Equations


detAT=detA

The Attempt at a Solution



AT+A=[0]
AT=-A
detAT=det(-A)
since detAT=detA
detA=det(-A)
How does this show that det(A) = 0?
Also, what role does the fact that n is odd play?
muzziMsyed21 said:
I think I've got the right idea...
 
sorry for the typos I edited and fixed them
 
Mark44 said:
You can't do this (above). Matrix multiplication is not generally commutative, so in general, AP ≠ PA
Typo in your equation?
Typo?
How does this show that det(A) = 0?
Also, what role does the fact that n is odd play?

that is where i am stumped... is it det(A) = -det(A) then detA=0 ?
 
muzziMsyed21 said:
that is where i am stumped... is it det(A) = -det(A) then detA=0 ?

IF det(A)=(-det(A)) then det(A)=0, sure. det(-A) isn't always equal to -det(A). What is det(kA) for k a constant?
 
Dick said:
IF det(A)=(-det(A)) then det(A)=0, sure. det(-A) isn't always equal to -det(A). What is det(kA) for k a constant?

kndet(A)
 
muzziMsyed21 said:
kndet(A)

Well, sure. Now put k=(-1) and figure out what n being odd might have to do with it.
 
Dick said:
IF det(A)=(-det(A)) then det(A)=0, sure. det(-A) isn't always equal to -det(A). What is det(kA) for k a constant?

det(AT)=det(-A)
det(A)=(-1)ndetA

from here i still don't know how det=0
 
muzziMsyed21 said:
det(AT)=det(-A)
det(A)=(-1)ndetA

from here i still don't know how det=0

It only has to be zero if n is odd. Then (-1)^n=(-1), right? det is a real number. If a real number x=(-x) then x=0. Can you prove that?
 
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Dick said:
It only has to be zero if n is odd. Then (-1)^n=(-1), right? det is a real number. If a real number x=(-x) then x=0. Can you prove that?

does it have anything to do with additive inverse?
 
  • #11
muzziMsyed21 said:
does it have anything to do with additive inverse?
Don't overthink this.

Since n is odd, (-1)n = -1, so
det(AT) = det(-A) = (-1)ndet(A) = ?
What can you conclude from the above?
 
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Also, it's better to post one problem per thread.
 
  • #13
MuzziMsyed21 said:
7A2+8A+3I=[0]
7A2+8A = -3I
A(7A+8)=-3I
The last line should be A(7A + 8I) = -3I
It doesn't make sense to add a number to a matrix.

Rearranging a bit results in this equation.
So A * (-1/3)(7A + 8I) = I

Does this give you any ideas?
 

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