Prove that a sequence of functions converges pointwise and uniformly.

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The discussion revolves around proving that the sequence of functions defined by ##f_n=\frac {x} {1+x^2}-\frac {(1+x^2)x} {1+(n+1)^2x^2}## converges pointwise and uniformly to a continuous function on the interval ##[0,1]##. The original poster has established pointwise convergence to the function ##f(x)=\frac {x} {1+x^2}## and is now focused on demonstrating uniform convergence without relying on specific theorems.

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  • Participants discuss various approaches to establish uniform convergence, including attempts to find suitable bounds for the expression ##|f-f_n|##. There are questions regarding the validity of certain estimates and the need for bounds that converge to zero as ##n## increases. Some participants suggest alternative inequalities and methods to handle the case when ##x=0##.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and alternative approaches to the problem. Some have offered guidance on bounding the sequence and addressing specific cases, while others have raised concerns about the correctness of certain estimates. There is a collaborative effort to refine the reasoning and ensure the conditions for uniform convergence are met.

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Participants note the challenge of finding a suitable ##N## that works for all ##x \in [0,1]##, especially considering the behavior of the function as ##x## approaches zero. The discussion also highlights the constraints of not using certain theorems and the need for estimates that do not depend on ##x##.

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Homework Statement .
Given ##f_n=\frac {x} {1+x^2}-\frac {(1+x^2)x} {1+(n+1)^2x^2}## , prove that ##\{f_n\}_{n \in \mathbb N}## converges pointwise and uniformly to a continuous function on the interval ##[0,1]##

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It's easy to prove that this sequence tends to the function ##f(x)=\frac {x} {1+x^2}## pointwise, I just calculated the limit for a fixed ##x## in the interval. Now, I am trying to prove by hand (without using theorems of sequences of functions defined on compact sets or anything of the sort) that the sequence tends to ##f## uniformly. So, to prove this I have to prove that for a given ##ε>0##, there is some ##N \in \mathbb N## such that for all ##n≥N## ##|f-f_n|<ε##.##|f-f_n|=|\frac {(1+x^2)x} {1+(n+1)^2x^2}|=\frac {(1+x^2)x} {1+(n+1)^2x^2}≤\frac {(1+x^2)x} {(n+1)^2x^2}=\frac {(1+x^2)} {(n+1)^2x}##. So, if I could choose ##N## such that for every ##x \in [0,1]##, ##\frac {(1+x^2)} {x}≤ε(n+1)^2##, I would be done, the problem is I don't know which ##N## would work.
 
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mahler1 said:
Homework Statement .
Given ##f_n=\frac {x} {1+x^2}-\frac {(1+x^2)x} {1+(n+1)^2x^2}## , prove that ##\{f_n\}_{n \in \mathbb N}## converges pointwise and uniformly to a continuous function on the interval ##[0,1]##

The attempt at a solution.

It's easy to prove that this sequence tends to the function ##f(x)=\frac {x} {1+x^2}## pointwise, I just calculated the limit for a fixed ##x## in the interval. Now, I am trying to prove by hand (without using theorems of sequences of functions defined on compact sets or anything of the sort) that the sequence tends to ##f## uniformly. So, to prove this I have to prove that for a given ##ε>0##, there is some ##N \in \mathbb N## such that for all ##n≥N## ##|f-f_n|<ε##.##|f-f_n|=|\frac {(1+x^2)x} {1+(n+1)^2x^2}|=\frac {(1+x^2)x} {1+(n+1)^2x^2}≤\frac {(1+x^2)x} {(n+1)^2x^2}=\frac {(1+x^2)} {(n+1)^2x}##. So, if I could choose ##N## such that for every ##x \in [0,1]##, ##\frac {(1+x^2)} {x}≤ε(n+1)^2##, I would be done, the problem is I don't know which ##N## would work.

No value of N will work. ##\frac {(1+x^2)} {x}## goes to infinity as x goes to zero. You need to get a better estimate. It should depend only on n not on x.
 
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Note that:

\frac{(1+x^2)x}{1+(n+1)^2x^2} \leq \frac{ 2}{1+(n+1)^2} \leq \frac{2}{N}

Now choose

N= \frac{2}{ \epsilon}
 
dirk_mec1 said:
Note that:

\frac{(1+x^2)x}{1+(n+1)^2x^2} \leq \frac{ 2}{1+(n+1)^2} \leq \frac{2}{N}

Now choose

N= \frac{2}{ \epsilon}

Yes, I've already try that, but are you sure that estimate is correct? I mean, in the denominator, when ##x \to 0##, the denominator tends to ##1##, so the whole expression is bigger than ##\frac{ 2}{1+(n+1)^2}##.
 
dirk_mec1 said:
Note that:

\frac{(1+x^2)x}{1+(n+1)^2x^2} \leq \frac{ 2}{1+(n+1)^2}
This inequality is incorrect, as you can see by plugging some example values for ##x## and ##n##.

To get a bound that works, try the following trick. The denominator is not quite a perfect square, but if we insert a term we can make it so:
$$1 - 2(n+1)x + (n+1)^2 x^2 = (1 - (n+1)x)^2$$
And of course since this expression is a square, it must be nonnegative:
$$1 - 2(n+1)x + (n+1)^2 x^2 \geq 0$$
Try using this to get a bound for your expression.
 
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Yes, you're right then I choose the easy way:

The entire fraction is smaller than 2:\frac{(1+x^2)x}{1+(n+1)^2x^2} \leq \frac{ 2}{1+(n+1)^2 x^2} \leq 2n \leq 2N

Choose N = \frac{\epsilon}{2}
 
dirk_mec1 said:
Yes, you're right then I choose the easy way:

The entire fraction is smaller than 2:


\frac{(1+x^2)x}{1+(n+1)^2x^2} \leq \frac{ 2}{1+(n+1)^2 x^2} \leq 2n
That's not what I get. Indeed, an upper bound of ##2n## wouldn't help at all because that bound grows as ##n## increases. You need a bound that converges to zero as ##n\rightarrow \infty##.

Take another look at the inequality I suggested earlier:
$$1 - 2(n+1)x + (n+1)^2 x^2 \geq 0$$
This is equivalent to
$$1 + (n+1)^2 x^2 \geq 2(n+1)x$$
Since both sides are positive when ##x > 0##, we may rearrange this to get
$$\frac{1}{1 + (n+1)^2 x^2} \leq \frac{1}{2(n+1)x}$$
So that gives you an inequality involving the denominator. How about the numerator? Also note that you'll have to handle the ##x=0## case separately, but that should be easy enough.
 
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jbunniii said:
That's not what I get. Indeed, an upper bound of ##2n## wouldn't help at all because that bound grows as ##n## increases. You need a bound that converges to zero as ##n\rightarrow \infty##.

Take another look at the inequality I suggested earlier:
$$1 - 2(n+1)x + (n+1)^2 x^2 \geq 0$$
This is equivalent to
$$1 + (n+1)^2 x^2 \geq 2(n+1)x$$
Since both sides are positive when ##x > 0##, we may rearrange this to get
$$\frac{1}{1 + (n+1)^2 x^2} \leq \frac{1}{2(n+1)x}$$
So that gives you an inequality involving the denominator. How about the numerator? Also note that you'll have to handle the ##x=0## case separately, but that should be easy enough.

Thanks very much, that inequality works well: ##x \in [0,1] \implies x≤1##, so the numerator ##(x^2+1)x≤(1^2+1)x=2x##. Putting all those inequalities together, we get ##\frac {(x^2+1)x} {1+(n+1)^2x^2}≤\frac {2x} {2(n+1)x}=\frac {1} {n+1}##. Then, given ##ε>0##, if ##\frac {1} {n+1}<ε##, that means, if we choose ##n## such that ##n>\frac {1} {ε}-1##, we have that ##|f_n-f|<ε##. It follows that ##f_n \to f## uniformly.
 
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jbunniii said:
Looks good!

I forgot to separate the case ##x=0##, but that one is pretty easy since ##f_n=0##, every natural number will work for ##0##.
 
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mahler1 said:
I forgot to separate the case ##x=0##, but that one is pretty easy since ##f_n=0##, every natural number will work for ##0##.

If you want a little less clever solution than jbunniii's but maybe more general, you can try to just use calculus to find the max of ##\frac{(1+x^2)x}{1+(n+1)^2x^2}##. Differentiate with respect to x and set that equal to zero. In this case, that turns out to give you something too hard to solve. So try and simplify it a little by using (1+x^2)<=2. So try ##\frac{2x}{1+(n+1)^2x^2}##. That one you can just mechanically solve. Turns out to give you the same upper bound of 1/(n+1). That's the way I would have tackled it. I'm not too good at clever tricks.
 
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Dick said:
If you want a little less clever solution than jbunniii's but maybe more general, you can try to just use calculus to find the max of ##\frac{(1+x^2)x}{1+(n+1)^2x^2}##. Differentiate with respect to x and set that equal to zero. In this case, that turns out to give you something too hard to solve.
I was going to suggest the same thing, but I got a nasty expression when I tried it because your trick didn't occur to me. Fortunately, spending a few extra minutes to look for a different trick paid off in this case. Sometimes laziness is a virtue. :-p

Also, a trick that you can apply more than once is no longer a trick, it's a technique:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=720807
 
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