Prove that the sequence converges to 0

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The discussion revolves around proving that the sequence defined by the recurrence relation e_{n+1} = e_n/(e_n+2) converges to 0, given that the initial term e_0 is between -1 and 0. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and inductive proof techniques.

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  • Some participants propose showing that the sequence is convergent by demonstrating it is increasing and bounded above.
  • One participant suggests that if L is the limit of the sequence, then L must satisfy the equation L = L/(L+2), leading to the quadratic L^2 + 2L = L.
  • Another participant derives L^2 + L = 0, concluding that L could be 0 or -1, but argues that L cannot be -1 due to the initial condition e_0 > -1 and the sequence being increasing.
  • It is suggested that for any x in the interval (-1, 0), the transformation x/(x+2) remains within the same interval and is greater than x, indicating that the sequence remains increasing.

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Participants generally agree on the approach of showing the sequence is increasing and bounded, but there is no consensus on the formal proof structure or the final conclusion regarding convergence.

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Participants have expressed limitations in their mathematical background, specifically mentioning a lack of familiarity with concepts such as supremum and infimum, which may affect the depth of the discussion.

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e_{n+1} = e_n/(e_n+2)

If -1 < e_0 < 0, prove that the sequence {e_n} converges to 0.

PS: I haven't learned things like sup and inf yet, so please don't use them.
 
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Alexmahone said:
e_{n+1} = e_n/(e_n+2)

If -1 < e_0 < 0, prove that the sequence {e_n} converges to 0.

PS: I haven't learned things like sup and inf yet, so please don't use them.

1) Show that the sequence defined inductively is convergent.

2) Let L be the limit of this sequence e_n. Then L will also be the limit of the sequence e_{n+1}. As e_{n+1} = e_n/(e_n+2) it means (in the limit) that L = L/(L+2). Solve for L and show that L=0.
 
ThePerfectHacker said:
1) Show that the sequence defined inductively is convergent.

How do I do that? By showing that it is increasing and bounded above?

Let L be the limit of this sequence e_n. Then L will also be the limit of the sequence e_{n+1}. As e_{n+1} = e_n/(e_n+2) it means (in the limit) that L = L/(L+2). Solve for L and show that L=0.

L^2+2L=L

L^2+L=0

L(L+1)=0

L=0 or -1

Clearly, L can't be -1 because e_0 > -1 and the sequence is increasing. So, L = 0.
 
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Alexmahone said:
How do I do that? By showing that it is increasing and bounded above?

Exactly.

Let -1 < x < 0, show that -1 < x/(x+2)< 0.
Also show that x < x/(x+2).

Combining these two facts together this means that whatever e_0 is e_1 will be larger and still between -1 and 0. Then by repeating the same argument e_2 will be larger than e_1 and still between -1 and 0. And so forth. Therefore, e_n is increasing and bounded above by 0.
 

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