Prove true or false eigenvalue question

  • Thread starter Thread starter blockdummy
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Eigenvalue
AI Thread Summary
The discussion centers on the statement that if A^2 + A = 0, then λ = 1 may not be an eigenvalue. Participants explore the implications of this equation, noting that matrices satisfying it tend to yield eigenvalues of -1 or 0. The conversation highlights the challenge of finding counterexamples to the statement, with an emphasis on the characteristic polynomial consistently producing negative eigenvalues. A contradiction arises when attempting to assume λ = 1 as an eigenvalue, suggesting that the original statement is likely true. Clarifications on eigenvalue properties and matrix behavior are requested for further understanding.
blockdummy
Messages
3
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



Prove true or false.

If A^2+A=0 then λ=1 may not be an eigenvalue.


Homework Equations



To find the eigenvalues of A I find the solutions to det(λ-A).

The definition of an eigenvalue from my understanding, AX = λX.

A(A+I) = 0


The Attempt at a Solution



I'm unable to find the connection between the restriction of A^2+A=0 and its effects on the eigenvalues.

Since A^2 + A =0 , I've thought of some matrices where this is true.

Scenarios:

A = 0

A =\begin{pmatrix}
-1\end{pmatrix}

A = \begin{pmatrix}
-1 & 0\\
0 & -1\end{pmatrix}

A = \begin{pmatrix}
-1 & -1\\
0 & 0\end{pmatrix}


It seems that when you have -1 on the diagonal the first equation holds true and the eigenvalues are -1 or 0. With that being said, this statement appears true, but I have no idea how to find scenarios which could be counterexamples nor do I have a formal proof if the statement is indeed true.

Clarification 1: Since I've only been able to find matrices with -1 (after reduction) on the diagonal to satisfy A^2 + A = 0, it appears that the eigenvalue will be always negative because when I find the characteristic polynomial its always in the form of (λ+1)^n which gives me a negative eigenvalue.

Any help would be appreciated.
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
(try using the X2 button just above the Reply box

hi blockdummy! welcome to pf! :smile:

(try using the X2 button just above the Reply box :wink:)

if 1 is an eigenvalue and x is the eigenvector, then (A2 + A)x = … ? :wink:
 
Hmm...

(A2 + A)x = (1)x

Is it correct to assume that both sides have the same eigenvector?

If so the x's cancel and... (A2 + A) = 1 which is a contradiction. This doesn't seem correct since the only way this wouldn't be a contradiction would be if λ=0.
 
hi blockdummy! :smile:
blockdummy said:
(A2 + A)x = (1)x

nooo …

try again :wink:
If so the x's cancel …

how??

you can't divide by a vector!​
 
I tried to combine those 2 formulas but it didn't work. I tried using another case where there are 2 red balls and 2 blue balls only so when combining the formula I got ##\frac{(4-1)!}{2!2!}=\frac{3}{2}## which does not make sense. Is there any formula to calculate cyclic permutation of identical objects or I have to do it by listing all the possibilities? Thanks
Since ##px^9+q## is the factor, then ##x^9=\frac{-q}{p}## will be one of the roots. Let ##f(x)=27x^{18}+bx^9+70##, then: $$27\left(\frac{-q}{p}\right)^2+b\left(\frac{-q}{p}\right)+70=0$$ $$b=27 \frac{q}{p}+70 \frac{p}{q}$$ $$b=\frac{27q^2+70p^2}{pq}$$ From this expression, it looks like there is no greatest value of ##b## because increasing the value of ##p## and ##q## will also increase the value of ##b##. How to find the greatest value of ##b##? Thanks
Back
Top