Proving Algebra (Polynomials) Relationship Between Roots and Coefficients

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The discussion revolves around proving a relationship between the roots and coefficients of a polynomial, specifically focusing on the product of the sum of the roots and the sum of the reciprocals of the roots for a polynomial of degree n. The original poster attempts to establish that this product is always greater than or equal to n².

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the implications of specific cases, such as when all roots are equal to one, and how this might represent a minimum for the product in question. There are inquiries about proving the general applicability of the property for all real polynomials and whether certain assumptions about the roots being positive are necessary.

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Some participants have offered insights into proving that the case of all roots being one is a minimum. Others are exploring the implications of different root values and questioning the necessity of assumptions regarding the positivity of the roots. The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations and approaches being considered.

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There is mention of potential constraints regarding the nature of the roots, particularly the assumption that they are positive, which may affect the validity of the proposed relationship. Additionally, the original poster expresses a desire for a more general solution applicable to all real polynomials.

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Prove that product of sum of roots and sum of reciprocal of roots of a polynomial with degree n is always greater than or equal to n2.

I tried the same on a polynomial of degree 4:

ax4+bx3+cx2+dx+e = 0

Let the roots be p, q, r, and s

The following equations show the relation of roots to the coefficients of the polynomial

p + q + r + s = -b/a

pq + qr + rs + sp + pr + qs = c/a

pqr + qrs + rsp + spq = -d/a

pqrs = e/a

I can't figure out the next steps... Please help :(

A general solution to the problem would be preferred...
 
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Notice that if all of the roots are one, then the product of the sum of the roots and the sum of the reciprocals of the roots is n^2. So if you can prove that the case of all ones is a minimum, then you are done. One way to show this would be to look at (r_1+r_2+r_3+...r_n)(\frac{1}{r_1}+\frac{1}{r_2}+\frac{1}{r_3}+...\frac{1}{r_n}) and see what would happen if we replace one of the r's with 1. You can show that this will always decrease the product by noting that p+\frac{1}{p} \geq 2 where p is positive (and the inequality is strict is p is not one).
 
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Notice that if all of the roots are one, then the product of the sum of the roots and the sum of the reciprocals of the roots is n^2. So if you can prove that the case of all ones is a minimum, then you are done. One way to show this would be to look at (r_1+r_2+r_3+...r_n)(\frac{1}{r_1}+\frac{1}{r_2}+\frac{1}{r_3}+...\frac{1}{r_n}) and see what would happen if we replace one of the r's with 1. You can show that this will always decrease the product by noting that p+\frac{1}{p} \geq 2 where p is positive (and the inequality is strict is p is not one).

Sir, could the solution be a little more general?... i.e. to help me prove this property is universally applicable for all the polynomials with real coefficients.
How to explain that the case where all roots are equal to one is a minimum?
 
Prashant Jain said:
Sir, could the solution be a little more general?... i.e. to help me prove this property is universally applicable for all the polynomials with real coefficients.
How to explain that the case where all roots are equal to one is a minimum?

How is my solution not general? It would prove it for all real polynomials. I suppose that I assumed that the roots were all positive, which you did not explicitly state, but this is a very necessary condition! Consider the quadratic x^2-1. Its roots are \pm 1 so the product you are considering would be zero, which is not greater than 2^2=4

How to show that the all ones case is the minimum? Do as I suggested in my previous post and replace just one of the roots with 1 and show that this reduces the product (using the inequality I gave you. You should prove this inequality if you have not seen it before). Once you show this, you are done because this implies

n^2=(1+1+1+...1)(1+1+1+...1) \leq (r_1+1+1+...1)(\frac{1}{r_1}+1+1+...1) \leq (r_1+r_2+1+...1)(\frac{1}{r_1}+\frac{1}{r_2}+1+...1)... \\ \leq (r_1+r_2+r_3+...r_n)(\frac{1}{r_1}+\frac{1}{r_2}+\frac{1}{r_3}+...\frac{1}{r_n}) as desired.
 
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