Proving Differentiability of W(x) in the Context of U(x) = 2 + x^2 + x*W(x)

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The discussion revolves around proving the differentiability of the function U(x) = 2 + x² + x*W(x) at x = 0, where W(x) is a continuous function. The original poster seeks guidance on how to demonstrate that W(x) is differentiable based on the information provided.

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  • Some participants suggest that the differentiability of W(x) is not necessary for proving the differentiability of U(x) at x = 0, citing examples where W(x) is continuous but not differentiable. Others propose using the definition of continuity to explore the differentiability of x*W(x) at x = 0.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored regarding the relationship between the continuity of W(x) and the differentiability of U(x). Some participants have provided examples and counterexamples to illustrate their points, while others are attempting to clarify the implications of the definitions involved.

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There is a mention of using the δ-ε definition of continuity and the need for limits in the calculations, indicating that the original poster may be working under specific homework constraints regarding the methods allowed for proving differentiability.

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1)be W(x) Continuous function for any X.
U(x)=2+x^2+x*W(x)

Prove that U(x) are Differentiable in X=0

well i know that i need to Prove that W(x) is also Differentiable but how i Prove it?

thank you.
 
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You don't! You have no control over "W". You are told that W is continuous and that is all you can assume about W. If you believe that W must also be differentiable for the conclusion to be true then you believe that the statement you are asked to prove is false!

For example, suppose W(x)= |x| which is continuous for all x but not differentiable at x= 0. Then U(x)= 2+ x^2+ x|x|. If x> 0, that is the same as U(x)= 2+ x^2+ x^2= 2+ 2x^2. That has derivative U&#039;= 4x which goes to 0 as x goes to 0. If x< 0, that is the same as U(x)= 2+ x^2- x^2= 2 which has derivative 0 for all x> 0. Again that goes to 0 as x goes to 0.

That requires knowing that a function, f, is differentiable at x= a if and only if \lim_{x\to a^-}f&#039;(x)= \lim_{x\to a^+}f&#039;(x) which is a result of the fact that, even though a derivative is not necessarily continuous it must still satisfy the "intermediate value property".

More direct would be to calculate the derivative at 0 directly from the definition:
\lim_{h\to 0}\frac{U(h)- U(0)}{h}= \lim_{h\to 0}\frac{(2+ h^2+ h|h|)- 2}{h}

\lim_{h\to 0^+}\frac{h^2+ h|h|}{h}= \lim_{h\to 0^+}\frac{2h^2}{h}= \lim_{h\to 0^+}2h= 0
\lim_{h\to 0^-}\frac{h^2+ h|h|}{h}= \lim_{h\to 0^-}\frac{0}{h}= \lim_{h\to 0^+}0= 0
Since those two limits exist and are equal,
\lim_{h\to 0}\frac{h^2+ h|h|}{h}
itself exists and the function is differentiable.

Do that with U(x)= 2+ x^2+ xW(x) using only the fact that W is continuous.
 
hi omni! :smile:

(have a delta: δ and an epsilon: ε and try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)

(i assume you mean that it is differentiable at x = 0 ?)

no, just use the δ,ε definition of continuous at x = 0 to show that xW is differentiable at x = 0 …

what do you get? :smile:
 
Mm
tiny-tim said:
hi omni! :smile:

(have a delta: δ and an epsilon: ε and try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)

(i assume you mean that it is differentiable at x = 0 ?)

no, just use the δ,ε definition of continuous at x = 0 to show that xW is differentiable at x = 0 …

what do you get? :smile:


xW(x) need not be differentiable at zero. Hallsofivy already gave a good counter example.
 
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Mm

xW(x) need not be differentiable at zero. Hallsofivy already gave a good counter example.

no, he gave a good example of it being true :smile:
 
Oops. I guess I should read more carefully next time. Sorry about that; please carry on!

@OP

The fact that as x->0 the function g(x) =x goes to zero will give you a feel for why this is true. Also since in every delta neighbourhood of 0, W(x) is bounded it is not impossible that xW(x) goes to zero as x goes to zero.
 
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hi thanks to all of u about the answers.
i did like this (i diden't Write the lim and h-->0 but i know is need to be there)
f' = [U(x+h)-U(x)]/h = {[2+(x+h)² + (x+h)*Z(x+h)] - [2+x²+x*Z(x)]}/h =

[2+x²+2hx+h²+x*Z(x+h)+h*Z(x+h) - 2-x²-x*Z(x)]/h = [2hx+h²+x*Z(x+h)+h*Z(x+h)-x*Z(x)] / h =

= 2x+h+[(x+h)*Z(x+h) - x*Z(x)]/h
how i keep on from here?

thanks
 

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