Proving Differentiability: Vector Calculus Homework

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The discussion revolves around proving the differentiability of a function in the context of vector calculus. The original poster presents an expression involving vector operations and seeks validation of their approach to differentiability using a specific definition.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the validity of the original poster's expressions and calculations related to differentiability. There is a focus on rewriting the function in a suitable form and taking partial derivatives. Questions arise regarding the linearity of the derivative and the handling of error terms.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's attempts, offering suggestions for rewriting the function and checking differentiability through partial derivatives. There is recognition of the need to account for certain terms in the derivative, and some participants express uncertainty about the linearity of the derivative function.

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The original poster is required to use a specific definition for differentiability, which influences the direction of the discussion. There are ongoing considerations about how certain terms behave as variables approach zero.

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f({\bf a+h})-f(\bf{a})={\bf c\times h} + \|{\bf a+h} \| ^2 {\bf c} - \|{\bf a}\| ^2 {\bf c}

f({\bf a+h})-f({\bf a}) = {\bf c} \times {\bf h} + {\bf c} [({\bf a}+ {\bf h}) \cdot ({\bf a} + {\bf h})] - {\bf c}({\bf a}\cdot {\bf a})

f({\bf a+h})-f({\bf a}) = {\bf c} \times {\bf h} + {\bf c} [({\bf a}\cdot {\bf a})+ 2({\bf a} \cdot {\bf h}) + ({\bf h}\cdot {\bf h})] - {\bf c}({\bf a}\cdot {\bf a})

f({\bf a+h})-f({\bf a}) = {\bf c} \times {\bf h} + {\bf c} ({\bf a}\cdot {\bf a}) + 2{\bf c}({\bf a} \cdot {\bf h}) + {\bf c}({\bf h}\cdot {\bf h}) - {\bf c}({\bf a}\cdot {\bf a})

f({\bf a+h})-f({\bf a}) = {\bf c} \times {\bf h} + 2 {\bf c} ({\bf a}\cdot {\bf h}) + {\bf c}({\bf h}\cdot {\bf h})

Is this correct up to here?

From here can I do this?:

f({\bf a+h})-f({\bf a}) = {\bf c} \times {\bf h} + {\bf c} (2{\bf a}\cdot {\bf h} + {\bf h}\cdot {\bf h})

Can I say that Df(a)(h) = (2{\bf a}\cdot {\bf c} + {\bf h}\cdot {\bf c})(h)

E_f ({\bf a, h}) = c \times h

But \frac{E_f ({\bf a, h})}{\|h\|} = \frac{c \times h}{\|h\|} doesn't tend to 0 as h tends to 0!
 
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Checking differentiability is always a little involved. Certainly if you try to prove it from the definition, which is quite hard sometimes. Luckily, there are theorems which make our life easier. I'm talking about the theorem which says that "if a function has continuous partial derivatives at a, then it is differentiable at a".

So, what I suggest is try to take the partial derivatives of f. But before we do this, we must try to write f in a suitable form. To do this, write c=(c_1,c_2,c_3) and h=(h_1,h_2,h_3). Then

f(h_1,h_2,h_3)=(c_1,c_2,c_3)\times (h_1,h_2,h_3)+\|(h_1,h_2,h_3)\|^2(c_1,c_2,c_3)

Try to calculate the vectorial product and the norm, then you will obtain a nice function.

The next step is to take the partial derivatives \frac{\partial f}{\partial h_i} and to see if the result is continuous. If so, then our function is differentiable.

After doing this, if you really want to know the function Df(a)(h), then you can use the formula

Df(a)(h)=\sum_{i=1}^3{h_i\frac{\partial f}{\partial h_i}(a)}

Good luck!
 
micromass said:
Checking differentiability is always a little involved. Certainly if you try to prove it from the definition, which is quite hard sometimes. Luckily, there are theorems which make our life easier. I'm talking about the theorem which says that "if a function has continuous partial derivatives at a, then it is differentiable at a".

So, what I suggest is try to take the partial derivatives of f. But before we do this, we must try to write f in a suitable form. To do this, write c=(c_1,c_2,c_3) and h=(h_1,h_2,h_3). Then

f(h_1,h_2,h_3)=(c_1,c_2,c_3)\times (h_1,h_2,h_3)+\|(h_1,h_2,h_3)\|^2(c_1,c_2,c_3)

Try to calculate the vectorial product and the norm, then you will obtain a nice function.

The next step is to take the partial derivatives \frac{\partial f}{\partial h_i} and to see if the result is continuous. If so, then our function is differentiable.

After doing this, if you really want to know the function Df(a)(h), then you can use the formula

Df(a)(h)=\sum_{i=1}^3{h_i\frac{\partial f}{\partial h_i}(a)}

Good luck!

Thanks but there is a very big problem with that. That is the question tells me to use the given definition!
 
Hmm. Thne I still suggest to write out the function with c=(c_1,c_2,c_3) and h=(h_1,h_2,h_3) and see where that gets us...
 
micromass said:
Hmm. Thne I still suggest to write out the function with c=(c_1,c_2,c_3) and h=(h_1,h_2,h_3) and see where that gets us...

Well I've realized that, most fundamentally, Df(a) should be a linear map depending only on a (not h). So what I've written isn't even potentially correct.

On a secondary level, I've ignored the c x h term (and left it as part of the error). This term doesn't go to 0 as h does, so I have to account for it in the derivative rather than the error term.

Can you see how?
 
So you've gotten to the expression

f(a+h)-f(a)=c\times h+2c(a.h)+c(h.h)

Try taking Df(a)(h)=c\times h+ 2c(a.h). That should do the trick...
 
micromass said:
So you've gotten to the expression

f(a+h)-f(a)=c\times h+2c(a.h)+c(h.h)

Try taking Df(a)(h)=c\times h+ 2c(a.h). That should do the trick...

But Df(a) is still not a linear map is it (as it contains h)?
 
I don't really see your problem? why can't it be linear?
Surely we have that Df(a)(\alpha h+\beta h^\prime)=\alpha Df(a)(h)+\beta Df(a)(h^\prime)
 
micromass said:
I don't really see your problem? why can't it be linear?
Surely we have that Df(a)(\alpha h+\beta h^\prime)=\alpha Df(a)(h)+\beta Df(a)(h^\prime)

So from the expression

f({\bf a} + {\bf h})-f({\bf a})= {\bf c} \times {\bf h} + 2 {\bf c}({\bf a}\cdot {\bf h}) + {\bf c}({\bf h} \cdot {\bf h})[/tex]<br /> <br /> can I take Df({\bf a})({\bf h})= {\bf c} \times {\bf h} + 2{\bf c} ({\bf a} \cdot {\bf h}) .<br /> <br /> This is linear since we have that Df({\bf a})(\alpha {\bf h} + \beta {\bf h^\prime})=\alpha Df({\bf a})({\bf h})+\beta Df({\bf a})({\bf h^\prime})<br /> <br /> And take E_f ({\bf a, h}) = {\bf c(h\cdot h}) = {\bf c\|h\|}^2<br /> <br /> And \displaystyle\lim_{{\bf h}\to {\bf 0}} \frac{E_f ({\bf a, h})}{\|h\|} = \lim_{{\bf h}\to {\bf 0}} \frac{{\bf c\| h\|}^2}{\|{\bf h}\|} = \lim_{{\bf h}\to {\bf 0}} {\bf c\|h\|} = {\bf 0}
 
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Yes, that's about it!
 
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micromass said:
Yes, that's about it!

But Df(a) is dependent upon h as well as a isn't it? It should only be dependent on a.
 
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Df(a) is only dependent of a. Df(a)(h) is dependent of a and h, as it should be...
 
  • #13
micromass said:
Df(a) is only dependent of a. Df(a)(h) is dependent of a and h, as it should be...

So what does Df(a) equal?
 
  • #14
Df(a) is a function with variable h. It only depends of a.
 

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