Proving Existence of Zero with Least Upper Bounds

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The discussion revolves around proving the existence of a point where a continuous function crosses zero, specifically within the context of least upper bounds. The original poster presents a problem involving a continuous function defined on a closed interval [a, b] with values f(a) < 0 and f(b) > 0, seeking to demonstrate that there exists a largest x in [a, b] such that f(x) = 0.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the formation of a set S containing points where f(x) = 0 and consider the implications of the least upper bound of this set. There is an exploration of continuity and the behavior of the function around the supremum x_0.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants suggesting a method to show that x_0 is in S by assuming the contrary and analyzing the implications of continuity. Questions remain about the bounds of x_0 and its relation to the interval [a, b].

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Participants are considering the implications of the continuity of f and the conditions under which x_0 could lie outside the interval [a, b]. There is a focus on the properties of the supremum and the behavior of the function near this point.

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Homework Statement



sup problem
if f is continuous on [a,b] with f(a)<0<f(b), show that there is a largest x in [a,b] with f(x)=0

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i think it can be done by least upper bounds, but i dun know wat is the exact prove.

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Start by showing that there is one x in [a,b] such that f(x) = 0. Then form the set
[tex]S = \{x \in [a,b] | f(x) = 0\}[/tex]
You have already shown that S is non-empty and you know that it's bounded, so it must have a supremum. Let
[tex]x_0 = \sup\,S[/tex]
Since [itex]x_0[/itex] is an upper bound for S, if we can show [itex]x_0 \in S[/itex] we have shown that it's the largest element in S. So all you need to do is show [itex]x_0 \in S[/itex]. The easiest way to do this is to assume [itex]x_0 \notin S[/itex], i.e. [itex]y_0 = f(x_0) \not= 0[/itex]. Now since f is continuous at [itex]x_0[/itex] we can find some [itex]\delta > 0[/itex] such that if [itex]x \in (x_0-\delta,x_0 + \delta)[/itex] then [itex]f(x) \in (0,2y_0)[/itex] (let [itex]\epsilon = |y_0|[/itex]). Now [itex]x_0 - \delta[/itex] is an upper-bound for S, but less than [itex]x_0[/itex].
 
but how to prove x0 is in [a,b]?
 
i seem to know...
if x0<a, obviously wrong.
if x0>b, we can find some x such that b-[tex]\delta[/tex]<x<b satisfying that x is upper bound of the set.
 

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