Proving f(x)=0: Int. 0-1 of f(x)x^n

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The problem involves proving that a continuous function \( f: [0,1] \to \mathbb{R} \) is identically zero given that the integral \( \int_0^1 f(x) x^n \, dx = 0 \) for all non-negative integers \( n \). The discussion revolves around understanding the implications of this condition and exploring related mathematical concepts.

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  • Participants discuss the hint regarding proving that \( \int_0^1 (f(x))^2 \, dx = 0 \) and its implications. There are questions about how this relates to determining the nature of \( f \). Some participants suggest using the Stone-Weierstrass theorem and Taylor series expansions to explore the problem further.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing insights and clarifying concepts. Some have noted the relationship between the integral of \( f^2 \) and the assertion that \( f \) must be zero, while others are exploring the conditions under which Taylor series can be applied. There is no explicit consensus, but several productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, including the continuity of \( f \) and the implications of the integral conditions. There is mention of the Weierstrass approximation theorem as a potential tool for addressing the problem.

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Homework Statement
Suppose f: [0,1] --> R is continuous and

[tex]\int_0^1 f(x) x^n \, dx = 0[/tex]

for all n = 0, 1, ... Prove that f(x) = 0.

The attempt at a solution
There's a hint that says: Prove that

[tex]\int_0^1 (f(x))^2 \, dx = 0.[/tex]

I don't know how to prove this hint and I don't know how that would help in determining what f is. Any tips?
 
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HAH! This is cosmic. Look at this thread.
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=2064400#post2064400
I think the course I was outlining for Hitman2-2 will work perfectly for you, and even more simply since you have the condition for all n>=0. Use Stone-Weierstrass. You have integral f(x)=0 since it's true for n=0. Hitman2-2 only gave me n an even natural number. Is zero an even natural number? I would have said, no. And that's the roadblock for that thread.
 
e(ho0n3 said:
Homework Statement
Suppose f: [0,1] --> R is continuous and

[tex]\int_0^1 f(x) x^n \, dx = 0[/tex]

for all n = 0, 1, ... Prove that f(x) = 0.

The attempt at a solution
There's a hint that says: Prove that

[tex]\int_0^1 (f(x))^2 \, dx = 0.[/tex]

I don't know how to prove this hint and I don't know how that would help in determining what f is. Any tips?

Are you SURE you don't know why the integral of f^2 equals zero wouldn't solve the problem?
 
The integral of f^2 can only be zero if f is identically zero. If f(x) were greater than zero at some point in the interval, there would be a positive contribution to the integral from that point with no negative contribution to cancel it out (since the square of a real function is non-negative). Think about it.

I don't know how to prove the assertion. I will have to think about it.
 
That thread was really helpful. Now I know why the hint is true. However...

I don't know why the integral of f^2 equals zero wouldn't solve the problem. You asked Hitman2-2 the same question as well, but he/she didn't respond.
 
Brian_C just answered why the integral of f^2 equal zero solves the problem.
 
I have an idea how to prove that the integral of f^2 is equal to zero. Try expanding one of the f(x)'s in the integral of f^2 as a taylor series in x. You should end up with an infinite series of integrals of the form f(x) * x^n, which should all vanish (by assumption), thus proving that the integral of f^2 vanishes. The only problem is, I don't know how to prove that a Taylor series will converge on some interval for this particular function.
 
The taylor series doesn't have to converge. The function is only continuous, it doesn't have to be differentiable, much less analytic. Check Hitman2-2's thread. You have to use the Weierstrass approximation theorem.
 
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