Proving Hamiltonian Invariance with Goldstein Problems

Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion focuses on proving Hamiltonian invariance in the context of Goldstein's problems, specifically addressing the effect of gauge transformations on the Lagrangian. The participant demonstrates that the canonical momentum changes under the transformation, leading to a new Hamiltonian defined as H' = H - ∂F(q_i, t)/∂t. While the modified Hamiltonian satisfies one of Hamilton's equations, it fails to satisfy the second, raising questions about the invariance of motion. The conclusion drawn is that the Euler-Lagrange equation remains invariant under the addition of a total time derivative, suggesting that motion is unaffected despite changes in canonical momentum.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of Lagrangian mechanics and gauge transformations
  • Familiarity with Hamiltonian mechanics and canonical momentum
  • Knowledge of Euler-Lagrange equations
  • Proficiency in calculus, particularly total derivatives
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the implications of gauge transformations on Hamiltonian mechanics
  • Learn about the relationship between canonical momentum and Hamilton's equations
  • Explore the derivation and applications of the Euler-Lagrange equation
  • Investigate the role of total derivatives in classical mechanics
USEFUL FOR

Students and professionals in theoretical physics, particularly those studying classical mechanics, Hamiltonian dynamics, and Lagrangian formulations. This discussion is beneficial for anyone seeking to deepen their understanding of gauge invariance in mechanics.

Irid
Messages
207
Reaction score
1

Homework Statement


I'm solving Goldstein's problems. I have proved by direct substitution that Lagrange equations of motion are not effected by gauge transformation of the Lagrangian:

[tex]L' = L + \frac{dF(q_i,t)}{dt}[/tex]

Now I'm trying to prove that Hamilton equations of motion are not affected by this type of transformation.

Homework Equations


Hamiltonian:

[tex]H = \dot{q}_i p_i - L[/tex]


Total time derivative:

[tex]\frac{dF(q_i,t)}{dt} = \frac{\partial F}{\partial q_i} \dot{q_i} + \frac{\partial F}{\partial t}[/tex]

Canonical momentum:

[tex]p_i = \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{q}_i}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Using the definition of canonical momentum we immediately see that the new canonical momentum is

[tex]p_i' = \frac{\partial L'}{\partial \dot{q}_i} = p_i + \frac{\partial F}{\partial q_i}[/tex]

But wait a moment! If the canonical momentum is altered, isn't the motion going to be effected? I'm missing something here... Anyway, we go on further to show that the new Hamiltonian is

[tex]H' = \dot{q}_i p_i' - L' = H - \frac{\partial F(q_i, t)}{\partial t}[/tex]

It satisfies one of Hamilton's equations of motion

[tex]\dot{q}_i' = \frac{\partial H}{\partial p_i} = \dot{q}_i[/tex]

but fails for the second one,

[tex]\dot{p}_i' = -\frac{\partial H}{\partial q_i} = \dot{p}_i + \frac{\partial^2 F}{\partial q_i \partial t}[/tex]

Now I'm a little lost... I don't know how to prove the invariance, and the most disturbing part is that the canonical momentum is clearly not invariant.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
But wait a moment! If the canonical momentum is altered, isn't the motion going to be effected? I'm missing something here...

Well, the Euler-Lagrange equation is what gives you the equation of motion, and that is invariant on adding the total derivative. So, the motion shouldn't be affected, right?

Also, for the last couple of steps, shouldn't you find

[tex]\frac{\partial H}{\partial {p_i'}}[/tex]

as the canonical momentum is defined by the new lagrangian?
 
Last edited:

Similar threads

Replies
7
Views
6K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
Replies
19
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
3K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K