Proving Linearity: x(t) -> y(t)

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical proof of whether a given system is linear. Participants explore the conditions of linearity, specifically proportionality and superposition, in relation to specific system equations.

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  • One participant seeks guidance on proving the linearity of systems defined by equations involving constants and integrals.
  • Another participant attempts to demonstrate that the system is not linear by analyzing the output for scaled inputs and showing that the results do not satisfy the conditions for linearity.
  • A later reply corrects an earlier mistake in the reasoning and reiterates the argument against linearity, emphasizing the role of the constant term in the output.
  • Participants engage in refining their arguments and clarifying their reasoning regarding the linearity conditions.

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Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are conflicting interpretations of the linearity of the system based on the presented arguments.

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Some assumptions regarding the definitions of linearity and the treatment of constants in the equations may not be fully articulated, leading to potential ambiguity in the arguments presented.

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how can i prove mathematically if a system is linear or not? i mean, i know the system must obey proportionally law and superpositon, but i don't know how apply into it.
well, if anyone could help me, the systems i need to prove are:
x(t) -> y(t)= Cx(t) + k
x(t) -> y(t)= ∫ (from minus infinite to "t") x(e)d(e); where "e" is a dummy variable
 
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look if i/p x(t) is scaled by a1, then
o/p is y1(t)=a1*Cx(t)+k

if scaled by a2 it becomes
y2(t)=a2*Cx(t)+k

now to obey linearity if i/p is a1*x(t)+a2*x(t), then o/p should be
y(t)=y1(t)+y2(t)

but in this case if i/p is a1*x(t)+a2*x(t)
y(t)=a1*Cx(t)+a2*Cx(t)+k

which is not equal to
y1(t)+y2(t)= a1*Cx(t)+a2*Cx(t)+2k

So this sys is not linear
 
Sorry made mistake

ratn_kumbh said:
look if i/p x(t) is scaled by a1, then
o/p is y1(t)=a1*Cx(t)+k

if scaled by a2 it becomes
y2(t)=a2*Cx(t)+k

now to obey linearity if i/p is a1*x(t)+a2*x(t), then o/p should be
y(t)=y1(t)+y2(t)

but in this case if i/p is a1*x(t)+a2*x(t)
y(t)=a1*Cx(t)+a2*Cx(t)+k

which is not equal to
y1(t)+y2(t)= a1*Cx(t)+a2*Cx(t)+2k

So this sys is not linear
Sorry made a mistake there it should have been

if i/p is x1(t) , then
o/p is y1(t)=Cx1(t)+k

if i/p is x2(t) it becomes
y2(t)=Cx2(t)+k

now to obey linearity if i/p is a1*x(t)+a2*x(t), then o/p should be
y(t)=a1*y1(t)+a2*y2(t)

but in this case if i/p is a1*x(t)+a2*x(t)
y(t)=a1*Cx(t)+a2*Cx(t)+k

which is not equal to
a1*y1(t)+a2*y2(t)= a1*Cx(t)+a2*Cx(t)+(a1+a2)k

So this sys is not linear:redface:
 
Thank u, I finally got the right result...
 

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