Proving N C R x M C R-r = (N+M) C R

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The discussion revolves around proving the combinatorial identity E (N, r) x (M, R-r) = (N+M, R) for selecting R objects from two sets of N and M objects. Participants explore the possibility of using an inductive proof, acknowledging the complexity due to three variables. A combinatorial interpretation is suggested, where the selection of R balls from two bins is analyzed. The conversation includes a breakdown of how to combine terms from the binomial expansions of both sets to match the desired equation. Ultimately, the participants aim to establish a formal proof of the identity through combinatorial reasoning.
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Homework Statement



If (N,R) indicates number of combinations of R objects selected from set of N objects N >=r then prove :

R
E (N,r) x (M,R-r) = (N+M, R)
r=0

E specifies the usual capital sigma notion for a sum.

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Just don't know how to tackle this? Inductive proof may be possible but we have three variables N, M and R, so its non trivial?

Any clues?
 
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Suppose we have 2 bins with respectively N balls and M balls, and we take a total of R balls from both bins.
What are the possibilities for the number of balls to take from the first bin?
And how do they combine with the balls from the second bin?
 
Yes I understand the situation and the combinatoric proof, but how would I formally prove it?
 
Hmm, let's see...

Suppose we take generic variables a and b, then:
(a+b)N+M = (a+b)N (a+b)M

Working this out you get:
(... + C(N+M,R) aR bN+M-R + ... ) = (C(N,0)a0 bN + C(N,1)a1 bN-1 + ...) (C(M,0)a0 bM + C(M,1)a1 bM-1 + ...)

To get the specific term on the left side, you need to combine the terms on the right side in such a way that corresponds exactly to your equation.
So the equation must hold true.
 
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