Proving Order of Cyclic Group with Elements a & b is Finite

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The problem involves a group G and elements a and b within that group. The task is to show that if the order of the product ab is a finite number n, then the order of the product ba is also n.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the orders of the elements ab and ba, with some exploring the implications of finite cyclic groups. Others suggest using specific algebraic manipulations to demonstrate the relationship.

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Some participants have provided hints and approaches to tackle the problem, while others are working through their reasoning and assumptions. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the order of the elements involved.

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Participants are considering the definitions of order and the properties of cyclic groups, as well as the implications of assuming the existence of a smaller integer that contradicts the established order.

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Homework Statement


G is a group. Let a,b be elements of G. If order(ab) is a finite number n, show order(ba) = n as well.


Homework Equations


order(a) = order(<a>) where <a> is the cyclic group generated by a.


The Attempt at a Solution


I do not know. I thought it may be related to how that if a finite cyclic group has order n it is isomorphic to (Zn,+n). Any hints would be good.
 
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For an elementary proof, you could use this trick:

(ab)(ab)...(ab) = a(ba)(ba)...(ba)b

k parenthesized terms on the left side <--> k-1 on the right
 
If ab has order 3 then (ab)(ab)(ab)=e. Regroup that as a(ba)(ba)b=e. Think about that.
 
Hey, sorry it took me so long to reply. Thank you so much. I chose (ba)^n+1 = b((ab)^n)a = b(e)a =ba, so I took the inverse and got (ba)^n = e. I know I need to prove that n is the smallest integer s.t. that is true, so I assumed there was a k < n s.t. (ba)^k = e. Then I know this implies that (ab)^k = e as well, which is a contradiction so therefore k = n. Thanks again.
 

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