Proving Subspace Equality in Vector Spaces

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The discussion revolves around a proof concerning subspaces in vector spaces, specifically addressing the conditions under which two subspaces, U1 and U2, are equal given their relationships with another subspace W. The original poster expresses confusion about their proof and seeks clarification on the logical steps involved.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to prove that if V can be expressed as a direct sum of U1 and W, and also as a direct sum of U2 and W, then U1 must equal U2. Some participants question the validity of this conclusion based on set intersection properties.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's proof attempt, providing counterexamples and clarifications. There is a recognition of the need for careful notation and definitions in the context of vector spaces. The discussion is productive, with some participants exploring potential counterexamples.

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There is an emphasis on the importance of notation and definitions in vector space theory, particularly regarding the representation of subspaces and the conditions under which they can be considered equal. The original poster is also navigating their understanding as part of a self-study effort.

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Homework Statement



I've had no problem with Chapter 1 so far, except this last proof. I arrived at an answer I thought was correct, but have been informed that it is not. This is for self-study on my part... trying to stay ahead of the curve in the upcoming fall classes. Don't laugh... I know this should be easy :(

Prove or give a counterexample: if U1, U2, W are subspaces of V (V being a vector space over a field) such that
V = U1⊕W and V = U2⊕W,
then U1 = U2.




The Attempt at a Solution



Given that V = U1⊕W we know that V = U1 ∩ W = {0} and
given that V = U2⊕W we know that V = U2 ∩ W = {0}. (From Theorem 1.9 in the book).

Thus U1 ∩ W = {0} = U2 ∩ W thus U1 = U2.


Any help would be appreciated. I think I'm making a logical fallacy somewhere (maybe I can't say that the two subspaces are equal using intersection of sets?) but I don't know.

Thanks!
 
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Hi kings7! :smile:

kings7 said:
Thus U1 ∩ W = {0} = U2 ∩ W thus U1 = U2.

This is not correct. Here's an example (of sets, not subspaces):

[tex]\{0,1\}\cap \{0\}=\{0\}=\{0,2\}\cap \{0\}[/tex]

but

[tex]\{0,1\}\neq \{0,2\}[/tex]

So this is why your proof is sadly incorrect! :frown:

In fact, I'd start by looking for a counterexample...
 
Thank you for the quick reply!

Got it. That makes it a lot more clear (I don't know what I was thinking).

I think I've found a counterexample! Thank you again for your help. :)
 
Subspaces are certainly considered sets! But not all sets are subspaces!

I'm interested, what is your example?
 
We make it so that there is something similar to the example you gave me.

Let's start by letting dim(V) = 2 and restrict it to the real numbers. In other words V = R2 (since I'm not sure if something funny would happen with complex numbers).

So let's let W = {0, a} where a is an element of the reals. Let U1 = {a, a} and U2 = {-a, a} where -a is the additive inverse of a.

So we can see that U1 and U2 are still direct sums with W because U1 ⊕ W = U2 ⊕ W = V. However, U1 =! U2.

Is this correct?
 
Yes, I see your idea and it is correct. But I feel obliged to comment a bit about notation. Saying W=(0,a) doesn't make sense, you need to say that W is the space spanned by (0,a), or say that W=<(0,a)> or whatever notation you use.
Also, don't forget to say that a can't be zero!

Well done! :smile:
 
Ahh! You're right. Of course, I meant the spanning set but I was being notationally lazy (never an excuse, I know). :)

But the zero thing I have to remember for the future. Thank you again! Getting through this book is my summer project, and I expect to have many questions in the future. Good to know there are people like you around!
 

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