Proving that a sequence is always positive given two constraining relations

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The discussion focuses on proving that the sequence defined by t_1 = 1 and t_{n+1} = (t_n^2 + 2)/(2t_n) is always positive for all n. Participants suggest using mathematical induction as a rigorous method to establish that t_n > 0. They note that since t_1 is positive, this property should carry through the sequence. The conversation also touches on the implications of limits, emphasizing that if all t_n are positive, the limit cannot be negative. Ultimately, the main goal is to provide a formal proof of the positivity of the sequence without delving into limits.
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Homework Statement


Given that ##t_1 = 1## and ##\displaystyle t_{n+1} = \frac{t_n^2 + 2}{2t_n}## for ##n \ge 1##. Show that ##t_n > 0## for all ##n##.

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Intuitively this is obvious. Since ##t_1## is positive, so is ##t_2##, and so on. But I am having trouble proving this rigorously...
 
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How about an induction?
 
fresh_42 said:
How about an induction?
Ah I see, that's a really easy induction. So, suppose I am assuming that ##t_n## converges, and I take the limit of both sides to solve the equation to get that ##\lim t_n = \pm \sqrt{2}##. Would I need to prove using induction that ##\forall n ~ t_n > 0## before I can disregard the negative root?
 
You said you want a formal proof for ##t_n > 0## which is either an induction or a proof by contradiction. You said nothing about the limit. If all sequence elements are positive, which I think doesn't need a formal proof, the limit can lowest be zero. Otherwise you would have a gap around the limit, i.e. a neighborhood without sequence elements.
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
Ah I see, that's a really easy induction. So, suppose I am assuming that ##t_n## converges, and I take the limit of both sides to solve the equation to get that ##\lim t_n = \pm \sqrt{2}##. Would I need to prove using induction that ##\forall n ~ t_n > 0## before I can disregard the negative root?

If you have a sequence ##\{ t_n \}## with all ##t_n > 0## then if a limit exists it cannot be ##< 0##; it may be zero or it may be positive. Think about it, and make sure you understand why.

However, this question (as written down by you) does not ask at all about limits.
 
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