Proving That f Є R(V) When f Є R(α)

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The discussion revolves around a mathematical question concerning the relationship between functions of bounded variation and their Riemann integrability. Participants are attempting to clarify the notation and assumptions involved in proving that if a function f is Riemann integrable with respect to a function α of bounded variation, then f is also Riemann integrable with respect to the total variation V of α.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks help with a question about proving Riemann integrability of f given that it is integrable with respect to α, which is of bounded variation.
  • Another participant questions the notation used, specifically the terms R(α) and R(V), and suggests that V(n) should be V(x).
  • A clarification is provided that R(α) and R(V) refer to Riemann integrability on α and V, respectively.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the original question, suggesting an alternative interpretation that involves proving the Riemann integrability of the total variation of f.
  • Another participant attempts to outline a proof approach, referencing the condition for Riemann integrability and expressing uncertainty about how to show the necessary inequalities for V.
  • Repeated expressions of frustration regarding the lack of clarity and unanswered status of the original question are noted.

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Participants do not seem to agree on the clarity of the original question or the notation used. Multiple interpretations of the question exist, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding how to proceed with the proof.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the definitions and assumptions related to the notation used, particularly concerning the total variation and its relationship to Riemann integrability.

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Hi I am post graduate student looking for the answer of the question that appeared in one of the previous papers.

Please help me in solving this.

Thanx in advance

Let α be of bounded variation on [a,b]. let V(n) be the total variation of α on [a,x] and let V(a)=0 . if f Є R(α), prove that f Є R(V)?Let α be of bounded variation on [a,b]. let V(n) be the total variation of α on [a,x] and let V(a)=0 . if f Є R(α), prove that f Є R(V)?
 
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Hi ssh, and welcome to Math Help Boards.

ssh said:
Let α be of bounded variation on [a,b]. let V(n) be the total variation of α on [a,x] and let V(a)=0 . if f Є R(α), prove that f Є R(V)?
There seems to be some unexplained notation here. First, I assume that V(n) should be V(x)? Second, what does the notation R(a) and R(V) mean?
 
Yes Vn(x) is Total Variation of x
F Є R(α) and f Є R(V) means f is reimann integrable on α and V respectively
 
Is my question unclear or unanswerable?
 
ssh said:
Is my question unclear or unanswerable?
The question is still totally unclear to me. You start by saying "Let α be of bounded variation on [a,b]", from which I understand that α must be a function (in fact, a function of bounded variation). But then you say "F Є R(α) ... means f is reimann integrable on α", which makes no sense at all. How can a function be Riemann integrable on a function?

You also say "f Є R(V) means f is reimann integrable on ... V". That can only make sense if V is a set. But no set V has been defined.

Here is my version of the question that I think you may be trying to ask:
Let f be a function of bounded variation on the interval [a,b]. For each x in [a,b], let V(f)(x) be the total variation of f on the interval [a,x]. Prove that if f is Riemann integrable on [a,b] then so is the function V(f).

If that is the correct version of the question, let us know and perhaps someone here will be able to help.
 
This is the question i saw in one of the question papers for which i couldn't find an answer.

Let α be of bounded variation on [a,b]. let V(n) be the total variation of α on [a,x] and let V(a)=0 . if f Є R(α), prove that f Є R(V)?

If f Є R(α ) then U(P,f,α) – L(P,f,α) < ε right which is the sufficient condition for f to be Reimann integrable on α. (Atleast my book says so, correct me if this is wrong). Now if we want to prove f Є R (V), we should be showing that U(P, f, V) – L(P,f, V) < Є1 (say), but how? Here V is the total variation of x on α in the interval [a,x] also given that V(a) = 0 how does this help. The Proof for this in my book is not clear.
 
My question remains unanswered wherever i tried?
 

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