Proving the Measure Zero Property of Graphs: A Simplified Approach

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The discussion revolves around proving the measure zero property of graphs, specifically focusing on functions defined on compact intervals and their graphical representations in R². Participants are exploring the implications of uniform continuity and how to generalize findings from specific cases to broader scenarios.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss starting with a simple case of the function f(x)=x and its graphical representation. There are attempts to cover the graph with rectangles and questions about how to generalize the approach to other continuous functions. Some participants express confusion about the connections between uniform continuity and the geometric representation of the graph.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering hints and guidance on how to approach the problem. There is a focus on understanding uniform continuity and its implications for covering the graph with rectangles. Some participants are exploring the need for clarity in notation and mathematical terms.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need to simplify the problem by considering specific cases, such as functions defined on the interval [0,1], before generalizing to more complex scenarios. There is an acknowledgment of the challenges posed by notational details in understanding the proof.

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I'm pretty clueless as to what's going on here. If someone can just please lead me in the right direction, I would be quite grateful.
 
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Start with a really simple case. Take Q=[0,1] in R. Take f(x)=x. Then the 'graph' is the diagonal of the square [0,1]x[0,1] in R^2. Can you show that graph has zero measure in R^2? How would you modify that argument to handle the general case? Hint: f is in fact uniformly continuous since the domain is compact.
 
I think I can easily find countably many rectangles to cover the diagonal you are talking about. Something like if I take all the intervals on the line, all of length 1 let's say, then I can cover the interval by n squares with height epsilon/n. Then if I take the union of them, I'll get the volume is less than epsilon in summation.

But how do I generalize this?
 
That's not super clear, but ok. So now instead of f(x)=x, take f(x) to be any continuous function. Do you believe f(x) is uniformly continuous? Can you prove it? If so then just recite the definition of uniform continuity. For every epsilon>0 there exists a delta>0 such that... Given that how many rectangles do you need to cover [0,1]? What's the area of each rectangle? What's the total area? Now let epsilon approach 0.
 
It's uniformly continuous since it is continuous on a compact set, right?

So for every epsilon > 0 there exists delta > 0 s.t. |x-y|< delta implies |f(x) - f(y)| < epsilon. I've got that I think.

But I need something else to connect that and the rectangles. I'm horrible at picturing things, so that won't help. I'm just not sure how to define the rectangles in order to ensure they cover G(f). I simply don't see it.

What is the connection?
 
Draw rectangles that are delta in x by epsilon in y in size. How many do you need to cover the range of x in [0,1]? Multiply that by the area of each one. You are right on the uniform thing.
 
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Wait, why are we talking about [0,1]? Damn, I'm completely lost here.

Can you give me this explanation in some mathematically explicit terms? I'm having trouble following what's going on here.
 
I am trying to get you to figure out how to solve an less complicated version of the problem so the notational details don't get in the way of understanding how the proof works. If you can do the problem for the case f:[0,1]->R, I think you can figure out how to generalize it to f:Q->R.
 

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