Proving the relation using multivariable calculus

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The problem involves proving a relation in multivariable calculus concerning the divergence of a vector field and a scalar function. The original poster is attempting to prove the equation involving the integral of a scalar function multiplied by the divergence of a vector field in Cartesian coordinates, using integration by parts as a suggested approach.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of integration by parts, questioning the correct setup of variables and the treatment of gradients and divergences. There are attempts to clarify the notation and the implications of using the del operator in Cartesian coordinates.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and suggestions on how to approach the problem. Some participants are exploring the implications of the integration by parts method, while others are clarifying the mathematical definitions and notation involved. There is no explicit consensus on the correct method yet, but several productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of multivariable calculus, particularly in the context of integration by parts and the use of vector calculus identities. There are indications of confusion regarding the treatment of variables and the application of integration techniques, which may be influenced by imposed homework constraints or the need for a deeper understanding of the concepts involved.

  • #31
jhartc90 said:
If only uv disappears, we have proved the relation. How will doing it for each component change anything? Have you figured that part out? I am stumped
For right now, let's just assume the uv term vanishes. I don't see how you can conclude you've proved the relation, especially in light of your questions.

jhartc90 said:
How will the dy and dz terms affect this? Wouldnt they just turn into yz?
No because the integral of ##f(\vec{r})\partial_x A_x## is generally still a function of ##y## and ##z##.

It seems to me that you're reluctant to do any calculations because you can't see yet how it's going to work out. Sometimes you just have to try stuff and then it becomes clear. So deal with the other terms and see what you get.
 
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  • #32
vela said:
For right now, let's just assume the uv term vanishes. I don't see how you can conclude you've proved the relation, especially in light of your questions.No because the integral of ##f(\vec{r})\partial_x A_x## is generally still a function of ##y## and ##z##.

It seems to me that you're reluctant to do any calculations because you can't see yet how it's going to work out. Sometimes you just have to try stuff and then it becomes clear. So deal with the other terms and see what you get.

You are right, I am reluctant because I do not see how its going to work out. The issue I see is that We have a triple integral here. The first one we are integrating wrt x. From there, we get the uv - int(vdu) term.

Then we have two outside integrals. I am lost on how this will affect the inside integral
 
  • #33
You're not doing any integration. You still have integrals with respect to each coordinate. Note that that's what you have on the righthand side as well.
 
  • #34
In the integral you wrote, we would get:

$$\int\int((f(x,y,z)A_x-\int(A_x*\frac{df}{dx}*dx)dydz)$$

Is this the final answer for the x-component, and we just repeat with y and z? And then add them all together?
 
  • #35
Yes. Note that we are assuming boundary conditions such that the first term (the one with only two integrations) vanishes.
 
  • #36
What sort of BCs? Just as r->infinity, f(r)A(r) goes to 0?
 
  • #37
Yes. That would be sufficient.
 

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