Proving the relation using multivariable calculus

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The discussion revolves around proving a relation involving integration by parts in multivariable calculus, specifically the equation linking the divergence of a vector field and a scalar function. Participants explore the correct application of integration by parts, addressing the gradient and divergence operations in Cartesian coordinates. There is confusion about notation and the proper treatment of variables, particularly regarding the differentiation with respect to specific coordinates. The conversation emphasizes the importance of boundary conditions to ensure that certain terms vanish during integration, which is crucial for proving the relation. Ultimately, the participants aim to clarify their approach and calculations to successfully demonstrate the desired mathematical relationship.
  • #31
jhartc90 said:
If only uv disappears, we have proved the relation. How will doing it for each component change anything? Have you figured that part out? I am stumped
For right now, let's just assume the uv term vanishes. I don't see how you can conclude you've proved the relation, especially in light of your questions.

jhartc90 said:
How will the dy and dz terms affect this? Wouldnt they just turn into yz?
No because the integral of ##f(\vec{r})\partial_x A_x## is generally still a function of ##y## and ##z##.

It seems to me that you're reluctant to do any calculations because you can't see yet how it's going to work out. Sometimes you just have to try stuff and then it becomes clear. So deal with the other terms and see what you get.
 
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  • #32
vela said:
For right now, let's just assume the uv term vanishes. I don't see how you can conclude you've proved the relation, especially in light of your questions.No because the integral of ##f(\vec{r})\partial_x A_x## is generally still a function of ##y## and ##z##.

It seems to me that you're reluctant to do any calculations because you can't see yet how it's going to work out. Sometimes you just have to try stuff and then it becomes clear. So deal with the other terms and see what you get.

You are right, I am reluctant because I do not see how its going to work out. The issue I see is that We have a triple integral here. The first one we are integrating wrt x. From there, we get the uv - int(vdu) term.

Then we have two outside integrals. I am lost on how this will affect the inside integral
 
  • #33
You're not doing any integration. You still have integrals with respect to each coordinate. Note that that's what you have on the righthand side as well.
 
  • #34
In the integral you wrote, we would get:

$$\int\int((f(x,y,z)A_x-\int(A_x*\frac{df}{dx}*dx)dydz)$$

Is this the final answer for the x-component, and we just repeat with y and z? And then add them all together?
 
  • #35
Yes. Note that we are assuming boundary conditions such that the first term (the one with only two integrations) vanishes.
 
  • #36
What sort of BCs? Just as r->infinity, f(r)A(r) goes to 0?
 
  • #37
Yes. That would be sufficient.
 

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