Pseudo forces and negative acceleration

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of pseudo forces and their implications in a system involving multiple masses and accelerations. The original poster raises questions regarding the assumptions made about the direction of acceleration in relation to a movable pulley system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster questions the validity of assuming downward acceleration when the relative acceleration could potentially be upward. They also inquire about the implications of using pseudo forces in their equations of motion.
  • Some participants suggest that if the initial assumption about acceleration is incorrect, the resulting negative value would indicate a need to reassess the direction of acceleration.
  • There is a discussion about the final expression derived for acceleration and whether it holds true under different assumptions about the direction of acceleration.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the handling of signs in the equations, but no consensus has been reached on the implications of the assumptions made.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework problem, which may limit the information available for discussion. The assumptions regarding the direction of acceleration are central to the conversation.

EddiePhys
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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations


F = ma

The Attempt at a Solution


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I already have the solution, however, I have a few questions.
1)In the solution they have taken m2's acceleration relative to the ground to be a0-a downwards.
However, if a>a0, then wouldn't the acceleration relative to the ground end up being being upwards? In that case, how is assuming the acceleration downwards and being equal to a0-a correct?

2) If viewed from the accelerating frame of the movable pulley,

pseudo force upwards = m2a0
therefore, the eq of motion for m2: T-m2g+m2a0 = m2a
=> T-m2g = m2(a-a0)

Why does the pseudo force method lead to an answer that is "biased" towards m2 accelerating upwards relative to the ground? i.e assuming m2 will be accelerating upwards from the ground frame?
 
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Here we have just assumed a>a0. If our assumption is wrong, the acceleration will become negative and tell us that our assumption is opposite to what actually is happening. You can assume m3 to be accelerating upwards, you will get the same answer but with different signs.
 
AbhinavJ said:
Here we have just assumed a>a0. If our assumption is wrong, the acceleration will become negative and tell us that our assumption is opposite to what actually is happening. You can assume m3 to be accelerating upwards, you will get the same answer but with different signs.

The answer in the end comes up to a0 = g/(1+m1/4(1/m2 + 1/m3)). Since a has been eliminated from the equation, would this still be right if a>a0?
 
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EddiePhys said:
The answer in the end comes up to a0 = g/(1+m1/4(1/m2 + 1/m3)). Since a has been eliminated from the equation, would this still be right if a>a0?
Yes! If a and a0 are in the same direction, and we assumed that they are opposite in direction one of them would come out to be negative and correct us. Just put in the signs of the forces correctly.
 

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