PSK Modulation for Serial Communication on Power Lines | How to Find a PSK Chip

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of implementing PSK modulation for serial communication over power lines, specifically focusing on the search for appropriate PSK chips and circuit isolation methods from high voltage power lines. Participants also explore simulation software for coupling circuits and inquire about the use of a specific PLL device in frequency modulation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in finding a PSK chip for their project involving serial communication through power lines.
  • Another participant suggests consulting a powerline transceiver databook for coupling circuit information, noting that modifications may be necessary for the user's specific design.
  • A request is made for recommendations on simulation software for coupling circuits, with a suggestion to explore SPICE packages.
  • A participant inquires about using a 74HCT4046 PLL device for frequency modulation, prompting a discussion about the need for self-directed learning and available resources.
  • Concerns are raised about legal regulations regarding the types of signals that can be transmitted over power lines, with a reference to the Echelon document discussing standards that vary by country.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the maximum frequency allowed for modulation on power lines.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various challenges and inquiries without reaching a consensus on specific solutions or approaches. Multiple viewpoints regarding the use of devices and adherence to regulations are present, indicating an unresolved discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for circuit isolation from 220V power lines and the importance of modifying existing coupling circuits to fit their designs. There is also a mention of varying legal standards for powerline communication across different regions.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and practitioners in electronic engineering, particularly those interested in powerline communication, modulation techniques, and circuit design.

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i can't find PSK chip for my project.

Actually i am student of Electronic Engg. and doing a project on serial communication through power lines in home between two computers.

i m using PSK modulation as sending signal on power line.

here in my country 220V and 50Hz frequency is used for electricity so i want to know that what type of circuit i should us for the isolation of my circuit from 220V.

can anybody help in this case
 
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abs_heroever said:
i can't find PSK chip for my project.

Actually i am student of Electronic Engg. and doing a project on serial communication through power lines in home between two computers.

i m using PSK modulation as sending signal on power line.

here in my country 220V and 50Hz frequency is used for electricity so i want to know that what type of circuit i should us for the isolation of my circuit from 220V.

can anybody help in this case

My company makes powerline transceivers. Read about coupling circuits in our powerline transceiver databook:

http://www.echelon.com/support/documentation/manuals/transceivers/005-0193-01B_PL_Data_Book.pdf

Keep in mind that those coupling circuits are optimized for our frequencies and waveforms, so you will need to modify them to suit your own design.
 
Thank u for your relpy

can u please suggest me any simulation software for the coupling circuits
 
abs_heroever said:
Thank u for your relpy

can u please suggest me any simulation software for the coupling circuits

Some SPICE package. This thread lists some options, including free SPICE software packages:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=211811

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Thanks of ur relpy
 
i want to know that how to use a 74HCT4046 PLL device as when i will going to use frequency modulation in project?
 
abs_heroever said:
i want to know that how to use a 74HCT4046 PLL device as when i will going to use frequency modulation in project?

That's a very broad question, and I suspect that you are supposed to be figuring this stuff out on your own as part of your project. What learning resources are you using for the 4046, for PLLs in general, and for FM modulation and detection?

Here is an app note from National Semiconductor about the 4046 PLL, for example:

http://www.national.com/an/AN/AN-210.pdf#page=5

Have you already read it? Also, keep in mind that there are some laws about how much and what kind of signal you can put onto the powerlines for communication. You will need to obey these laws in your project circuit work. They are discussed in the Echelon document that I pointed you to earlier. They vary country-by-country, but most of Europe has a common set of standards. See the discussion of CENELEC in the Echelon document.
 
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Thank u for reply
But the document u have given it can't help me in searching of the laws(protocals) used in powerline communication

e.g
the maximium frequence i can use on powerlines for modulation of signal
 

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