Pulley Problem - Please give me hand here

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The discussion revolves around a pulley problem involving two blocks, A and B, connected by a rope over a pulley, with a third block, C, placed on top of block A. The goal is to determine the minimum weight of block C required to prevent block A from sliding off the table, given the coefficient of static friction between block A and the table.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between tension, friction, and the weights of the blocks. There are attempts to set up equations based on forces acting on the blocks and to analyze the equilibrium conditions.

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Some participants have provided hints and guidance regarding the equilibrium of the system and the relationship between tension and the weights of the blocks. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the definitions of mass and weight.

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Participants are working with the weights of the blocks rather than their masses, which has led to some confusion in the calculations. The problem constraints include the coefficient of static friction and the requirement to keep block A from sliding.

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Here's a pulley problem that has got me stopped; I'd appreciate any help that's offered.

There are two blocks, A (44 N) and B (22 N) connected via a rope that stretches over a pulley. Block A is resting on a table, and block B is hanging over the edge. Block C is positioned on top of Block A.

The question reads: "Given that the coefficient of static friction between Block A and the tabel is 0.20, what is the minimum weight of Block C to keep Block A from sliding off the table?"(The answer that is given is 66 N, but I can't seem to get this)I tried starting off with:
Block A=M=44N Block B=m=22N
(let F stand for the friction force)
T-F=Ma and mg-T=ma
Solving for Tension and setting them equal gives:
mg-ma=F+Ma
Rearranging some more and solving for a gives:
a= (mg-F)/(m + M)
The Tension on Block A then becomes M(mg-F)/(m + M) = 8.8 N
So then in order for Block A to resist motion, the Friction between it and the table must be equal to T, so F=T=8.8 .20 * (4.489 + C) * 9.8 = 8.8 but then the mass of C ends up being zero. Where did I go wrong?
 
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Several problems here. One, you are trying to prevent block A from sliding, so the acceleration is zero. Two, you are given the weights of the blocks, not their masses. (22N is a force, not a mass.)

Hint: Since the entire affair is in equilibrium, what must be the tension in the rope?
 
Well, in order for Block A *not* to move, the the frictional force on Block A must be equal to the tension right?
I redid the work for the acceleration and tension.

T = (Mmg + mF) / (M + m) M=4.489 kg m=2.245 kg

The tension (not taking Block C into account yet) is 17.6 N.
Set this equal to u(M + C) g (the frictional force) and solve for C, and I get a mass of 8.97 kg, so a weight of 88 N, which is still off.
 
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freecorp777 said:
Well, in order for Block A *not* to move, the the frictional force on Block A must be equal to the tension right?
This is true.

Now answer my question: What's the tension in the rope? If you are looking at the situation correctly, you should be able to answer without doing any calculations.

Hint: The hanging mass is in equilibrium.
 
Yes, I think I got it. The tension is equal to the weight of the hanging block (22 N), since hte other block is resting on the table.
It's in equilibrium, so a=0, so the whole term on that side of the equal sign becomes 0. Then T=mu * m (of Block A and C) * 9.8, then solve for the mass of Block C.
 
Exactly. But don't waste time finding the masses; you are given the weights (w = mg) and that's all you need.
 

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