Pulsed DC into inductor turns to AC?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of pulsed DC when applied to an inductor and whether it can be considered AC. Participants explore the effects of frequency, resonance, and the nature of the current involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that pulsed DC can lead to a ringing effect in an inductor, which may resemble AC due to negative-going pulses.
  • Others propose that if the square waves match the inductor's resonant frequency, the output could effectively be an AC waveform, akin to a parallel tank circuit.
  • There is a contention regarding the definition of DC, with some arguing that pulsed signals cannot be classified as DC due to their varying nature.
  • Participants highlight the importance of the impedance of the source and the relationship between the applied voltage/current and the output across the inductor.
  • Some express that discussions about terminology can be unproductive without specifying the waveform and circuit conditions involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are multiple competing views on the classification of pulsed DC and its behavior in inductors, as well as the implications of resonance.

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The discussion includes unresolved questions about the specific conditions under which pulsed DC behaves like AC, the definitions of current types, and the impact of circuit parameters on the output waveform.

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What is it that causes pulsed dc into an inductor to turn into ac?

Are their specific frequencies at which this occurs (i.e. inductors self resonance frequency)?
 
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What you can get is a ringing effect just after the rising and falling edges of the pulse.

Like this:

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The ringing on the lower edge does go negative, so you could call it AC.

On large coils, and with large currents, these negative going pulses can have very high amplitude.

The frequency of the ringing would be the same as the resonant frequency of the inductor.
 
What if the square waves are at the inductors resonant frequency. Then the inductor would effectively be a parallel tank circuit. In this case wouldn't the inductors output be an ac waveform?
 
I thought DC mean stable, unchanged current. Pulse is a pulse even it go from a set low voltage to a set high voltage. A pulse train can be separated into different frequency components(AC) with a DC component super imposed onto each other. There is no pulsed DC.
 
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hobbs125 said:
What if the square waves are at the inductors resonant frequency. Then the inductor would effectively be a parallel tank circuit. In this case wouldn't the inductors output be an ac waveform?

You say "pulsed dc" applied across an inductor. But this an incomplete question. Is it a low impedence voltage source, or a current source? Does the impedence change with applied voltage and removal of the voltage/current source?

You have another source of confusion: there is no difference between the applied voltage/current across an inductor and the output. They are the same.
 
yungman said:
I thought DC mean stable, unchanged current. Pulse is a pulse even it go from a set low voltage to a set high voltage. A pulse train can be separated into different frequency components(AC) with a DC component super imposed onto each other.

I say it is definitely not DC.

DC means Direct Current or unidirectional current, not constant current.

See Wikipedia:
Direct current (DC) is the unidirectional flow of electric charge.

You can have a DC pulse. That is what comes out of logic gates when they vary rapidly in output from 0 volts to 5 volts. It isn't AC because it has only one polarity.

What if the square waves are at the inductors resonant frequency. Then the inductor would effectively be a parallel tank circuit. In this case wouldn't the inductors output be an ac waveform?

There would certainly be a component at the resonant frequency.

The square wave would lose all its high frequency components and become more like a sinewave at the resonant frequency.

This would only work if the inductor was fed from a large resistor in series with the signal generator.
 
As Phrak says. The question is incomplete. This is just a general arm-waving discussion about non-specific situations. There are better things to do than argue about the etymology of electrical terms - some Engineers being what they are, they can be very sloppy in their terminology at times.
A waveform, in general, will have DC and AC components. Nothing more to be said, usefully, unless the waveform and the circuit producing it are specified.
 

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