Puzzles where both players play optimally

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In summary: In the second puzzle, Alice will win if N is even and Bob will win if N is odd. This is because if N is even, Alice can always make N even again, but if N is odd, Bob can make N even and force Alice to make it odd again, leading to a loop.
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Puzzles like the following(they are actually programming questions) :-
codechef said:
Alice and Bob play the following game. They choose a number N to play with. The rules are as follows :
1) Alice plays first, and the two players alternate.
2) In his/her turn, a player can subtract from N any proper divisor (not equal to N) of N. The number thus obtained is the new N.
3) The person who cannot make a move in his/her turn loses the game.
Assuming both play optimally, who wins the game ?

codechef said:
Alice and Bob play the following game : There are N piles of stones with Si stones in the ith pile. Piles are numbered from 1 to N. Alice and Bob play alternately, with Alice starting. In a turn, the player chooses any pile i which has at least i stones in it, and removes exactly i stones from it. The game ends when there is no such pile. The player who plays last wins the game. Assuming Alice and Bob play optimally, who will win the game?

How do you solve such puzzles?
Since they say that both play optimally does that mean given the conditions in the game(here let's say number N is given) we already know who will be the winner?
 
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Playing optimally means that both players will have insight into all possible next moves and will play in such a way to maximize their chance of winning without making a mistake. However, if all moves lead to the other player winning, then this player still has to play, and any move would be equivalent.

In the first puzzle, a player loses when their number is 1. This means that the player at 2 can force their opponent to lose by subtracting 1, and a player at 3 will lose since they can only subtract 1. Similarly, a player at 4 can win by subtracting 1, and a player at 5 will lose.

Note that all odd numbers only have odd factors, so a player at an odd number can only get to an even number since he or she can only subtract an odd number from odd. A player at an even number can then subtract 1 to force the opponent to get to an odd number.

Thus if the game begins on an even number, Alice wins. If the game begins on an odd number, Bob wins.
 

1. How do you define "optimally" in these types of puzzles?

In these types of puzzles, "optimally" refers to the strategy that ensures the best possible outcome for the player, regardless of the other player's moves.

2. What is the purpose of these types of puzzles?

The purpose of these types of puzzles is to challenge players to think strategically and anticipate their opponent's moves in order to achieve the best possible outcome.

3. Are there any real-life applications for these types of puzzles?

Yes, these types of puzzles have real-life applications in fields such as game theory, computer science, and economics, where decision-making and strategic thinking are important.

4. Is there a specific method or algorithm for solving these types of puzzles?

There is no one specific method or algorithm for solving these types of puzzles, as each puzzle may require a different approach depending on the rules and goals of the game. However, strategies such as backwards induction, minimax algorithm, and Nash equilibrium can be useful in solving these puzzles.

5. Can these types of puzzles be solved by a computer?

Yes, these types of puzzles can be solved by a computer using algorithms and strategies such as the minimax algorithm and game tree search. In fact, computers have been able to solve some of the most complex puzzles, such as chess and Go, where both players play optimally.

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