Pytels Dynamics 12.10: parabolic path, velocity, acceleration

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The problem involves an automobile descending a hill with a parabolic cross-section, where the horizontal component of the velocity is constant. Participants are tasked with determining the speed of the automobile in terms of its horizontal position and the magnitude and direction of its acceleration.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Some participants explore the application of mechanical energy conservation, while others suggest that the problem is primarily a calculus application involving velocity components.
  • There is discussion about the correct differentiation of the vertical velocity component and the application of the chain rule.
  • Participants question the assumptions made regarding the nature of the problem and the relationships between the variables involved.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and guidance on differentiation and the application of calculus. There are differing interpretations of the problem setup, and participants are actively seeking clarification on their approaches and calculations.

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Participants note that the problem is positioned early in the textbook, which may influence the methods and concepts available for use. There is also mention of a discrepancy between participants' results and the solutions provided in the textbook.

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Homework Statement


An automobile goes down a hill that has the parabolic cross section shown. (see image attached)
Assuming that the horizontal component of the velocity vector has a constant
magnitude v0, determine (a) the expression for the speed of the automobile in
terms of x; and (b) the magnitude and direction of the acceleration.

Homework Equations


y=h(1-x2/b2)

The Attempt at a Solution


I have attached an image

It gives a solution in (a) v0√1+(2hx/b2)2
and (b) 2hv02/b2

How do I proceed in (a) to come to the given solution?
 

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Have you considered mechanical energy conservation?
 
Conservation of mechanical energy is introduced later in pages 148-149.
This problem is at the first pages(pg. 23) of Dynamics 2nd edition under the Rectangular Coordinates section.
 
Actually, I was off the mark initially. This is not an energy conservation problem, but a simple application of calculus. You are looking for ##v = \sqrt{v_x^2+v_y^2}##. You know that ##v_x = v_0##, that ##y = h(1-x^2/b^2)## and that ##v_y = dy/dt##. So ...
 
so for vy = dy/dt i get vy = - (h/b2)2x

and v = sqrt(v02 + (- (h/b2)2x)2)

I don't know how to proceed then
 
Alexanddros81 said:
so for vy = dy/dt i get vy = - (h/b2)2x
You did not apply the chain rule of differentiation carefully enough. Try again. Remember that x depends on time.
 
Ok. What I get is different from the given soution at the back of the book.
It is given ##v = v_0 \sqrt {1 + \left( \frac {2hx} {b^2}\right) ^2}##
what I get is ##v = v_0 \sqrt {1 + \left( \frac {-2hx} {b^2}\right) ^2}##
Check also my upload
 

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##\left( -\frac{2hx}{b^2} \right)^2=\left( (-1)\frac{2hx}{b^2} \right)^2=(-1)^2\left( \frac{2hx}{b^2} \right)^2=\left( \frac{2hx}{b^2} \right)^2##
 
Any hint in finding the magnitude of acceleration?
It should be ##\frac {2hv_0^2} {b^2}##

I have done the ##a_y=\frac {d} {dt}\left( v_y\right) = \frac {d} {dt} \left [v_0\left(\frac {-2hx} {b^2}\right)\right]##. How do i proceed from here?

and ##a_x## should be zero since ##v_x## is constant
 
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Alexanddros81 said:
Any hint in finding the magnitude of acceleration?
It should be ##\frac {2hv_0^2} {b^2}##

I have done the ##a_y=\frac {d} {dt}\left( v_y\right) = \frac {d} {dt} \left [v_0\left(\frac {-2hx} {b^2}\right)\right]##. How do i proceed from here?

and ##a_x## should be zero since ##v_x## is constant
Apply Chain Rule, (see @kuruman's Post#6)
 
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It should be as shown at the attached file
 

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