Q:Is it possible to do a coordinate transfomation in momentum space?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the feasibility of performing coordinate transformations in momentum space while ensuring the conservation of momentum. It involves the transformation of momentum components for several particles in a relativistic context, specifically through rotations of the coordinate axes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to perform a coordinate transformation in momentum space while conserving momentum, specifically through rotations by angles θ and Θ.
  • Another participant asserts that the conserved quantity is a vector, suggesting that the basis vectors can be rotated without affecting the vector's magnitude.
  • A participant seeks confirmation on the relationship P^2 = P_x^2 + P_y^2 + P_z^2 = P_x'^2 + P_y'^2 + P_z'^2, implying a need for clarity on the transformation's correctness.
  • Further clarification is provided that if the transformation is done correctly, both the magnitude and direction of the momentum vector are conserved, although discussing direction without fixed coordinate axes is complex.
  • A participant mentions the invariance of the dot product under coordinate transformations, which relates to the conservation of direction.
  • A link to an article on canonical transformations is shared as a potential resource for further reading.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of coordinate transformations in momentum space, particularly regarding the conservation of direction and the interpretation of vector properties. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the specific mathematical steps involved in the transformations and the assumptions about the relativistic nature of the particles.

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Q: How does one do a coordinate transformation in momentum space while insuring conservation of momentum?

I have a several particles with momentum components P_x , P_y , P_z.
I would like to rotate the x, y, and z axis. By angle θ in the x/y and angle Θ in the y/z .
So giving new momentum P_x' , P_y' , P_z'.

Is it possible to do this an conserve momentum while remaining in the lab frame? (The particles are relativistic but I don't believe this matters). What are the coordinate transformations?
 
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The conserved quantity is a vector, you can rotate the basis vectors however you want and it wouldn't change the magnitude of the vector.
 
just to double check P^2=P_x^2 +P_y^2 +P_z^2=P_x'^2 +P_y'^2 +P_z'^2 correct?
 
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FinalCatch said:
just to double check P^2=P_x^2 +P_y^2 +P_z^2=P_x'^2 +P_y'^2 +P_z'^2 correct?

If you've done the transformation to the primed coordinates correctly, yes.

In fact, HomogeneousCow has understated how much is conserved; the direction of the vector is also conserved. Of course it's a bit tricky talking about the "direction" of a vector when you don't have coordinate axes to make angles with - (1,0) in coordinates in which the x-axis points to the northeast is the same vector in the same direction as ##\sqrt{2}/2(1,1)## in coordinates in which the x-axis points east, but it's not obvious at all from the coordinates that that is so.

However, the dot-product of two vectors is invariant under these coordinate transformations, and as the dot-product depends on the angle between the vectors, that gives us a coordinate-independent way of claiiming that direction is also invariant.
 
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