Q on Static Friction - (from Giancoli)

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The discussion revolves around a question regarding the maximum acceleration of a car based on the coefficient of static friction between the tires and the road. The original poster expresses confusion about the relationship between static friction and acceleration, questioning whether acceleration is solely dependent on the engine's power rather than the frictional force.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to reconcile the concept of static friction as a limiting factor for acceleration with the idea that engine power also plays a significant role. Some participants clarify the mechanics of how static friction enables acceleration, emphasizing the interaction between the tires and the ground.

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The discussion includes clarifications about the role of static friction in vehicle acceleration. While the original poster initially struggles with the concept, subsequent responses provide insights that seem to aid understanding, though explicit consensus on the interpretation of the problem is not reached.

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Participants explore the assumptions regarding the relationship between engine power and friction, noting scenarios such as a car on a frictionless surface to illustrate their points.

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Hello

I do not understand the answer given, i may be thinking too hard?


Q: "What is the maximum acceleration a car can undergo if the coefficient of static friction between the tires and the road is 0.90?"

A:"The static frictional force is the accelerating force, and so F(friction) = ma. If we assume the maximum acceleration, then we need the maximum force, and so the static frictional force would be its maximum value of mu(static) F(normal)"

How can the static friction be the max acceleration? A car's max acceleration from rest cannot be fixed as it depends on the power engine and not the road?
Can't a car exert more acceleration than the static friction force.

Thanks in advance
 
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It sounds strange but the car is not really accelerated by the engine. The engine exerts a torque on the tyres; the tyres exert force on the ground, the ground pushes back and that force from the ground drives the car forward. The interaction between the tyres and the ground is the static friction.

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milky9311 said:
How can the static friction be the max acceleration? A car's max acceleration from rest cannot be fixed as it depends on the power engine and not the road?
Can't a car exert more acceleration than the static friction force.

Thanks in advance
No. Just imagine a car on an icy frictionless surface. You can rev up the engine to its maximum power output, and the car will not accelerate at all, the wheels will just spin in place.
 
aaaahhhh

thanks to both of you

I understand now

Thanks again
 

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