QED photon vs photon as particle

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The discussion clarifies the distinction between the quasi-classical view of a photon as a particle and its representation in quantum electrodynamics (QED) as an excitation of the vacuum state. It emphasizes that while photons can be treated as particles in experimental setups like the Mach-Zehnder interferometer, this perspective is fundamentally flawed. The Fock representation, which defines a photon as an eigenstate of the total photon number operator, contrasts with the wavepacket description. The conversation references specific threads that further elaborate on the non-existence of a photon wave function.

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Quasi-classically, a photon is often considered as a particle with some momentum traveling across the space - for example, when describing experimental setups like Mach-Zender interferometer we often talk as if the photon was actually a particle moving along some possible paths, i.e. we treat it just like any other particle, with a wavefunction giving its position probability amplitude.

Now, in quantum electrodynamics a photon is simply an excitation of the vacuum state, that is, an eigenstate of the total photon number operator \int a_{k}a_{k}^{\dagger}. Physically, how do you connect this Fock representation picture (photon = \int c(k)a_{k}a_{k}^{\dagger}\vert 0 \rangle dk) to the "photon as a wavepacket" picture (photon = \psi (r, t))?
 
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neworder1 said:
Quasi-classically, a photon is often considered as a particle with some momentum traveling across the space - for example, when describing experimental setups like Mach-Zender interferometer we often talk as if the photon was actually a particle moving along some possible paths, i.e. we treat it just like any other particle, with a wavefunction giving its position probability amplitude.
That picture is incorrect. See for instance
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/why-photon-wave-function-does-not-exist.659614/https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...n-and-qed-the-strange-theory-of-light.812112/
 

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