QM expectation value relation <x^n>, <p^n>

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The discussion revolves around calculating the expectation values and for the wave function psi(x)=exp(-ax^2/2), specifically for even values of n. Participants explore the mathematical approaches to derive these values and express concerns about the results obtained.

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  • The original poster attempts to compute using integration by parts and expresses uncertainty about achieving a finite result. They also mention challenges with for even n.
  • Some participants question the approach of obtaining an infinite series and suggest starting with simpler cases to build towards a general solution.
  • Others note the behavior of for odd integers and the implications for even n, raising questions about the relationships between the results.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the extent of guidance they can provide. There is an ongoing discussion about the assumptions made in the calculations and the definitions of the variables involved.

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I need to calculate <x^n> and <p^n> for psi(x)=exp(-ax^2/2)
for n even.
For <x^n>:
<x^n>=integral(exp(-ax^2)*x^n )dx from -inf to +inf
then i use integration by parts to get an infinite series and i use a formula to find the finite sum of the series
=[exp(-ax^2)*x^(n+1)/((n+1-2a*(n+1)^2)] with limits -infinity to +infinity
i don't think this is sufficient as i believe the answer should result in a constant and when i use this to work out <x^2>, i can't get a finite answer. I am not sure of another way to work through this question.

For <p^n> i have shown that for n odd, this vanishes, but for n even i am not sure what the answer is. I would appreciate any help or suggestions on where to start with this question, thanks.
 
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Here's a trick...What happens if n=odd integer for \langle \hat{x}^{n} \rangle ...?

Daniel.

P.S. I'm sure you did gaussian integrals in statistical physics seminar.
 
sensou said:
I need to calculate <x^n> and <p^n> for psi(x)=exp(-ax^2/2)
for n even.
For <x^n>:
<x^n>=integral(exp(-ax^2)*x^n )dx from -inf to +inf
then i use integration by parts to get an infinite series and i use a formula to find the finite sum of the series
=[exp(-ax^2)*x^(n+1)/((n+1-2a*(n+1)^2)] with limits -infinity to +infinity
i don't think this is sufficient as i believe the answer should result in a constant and when i use this to work out <x^2>, i can't get a finite answer. I am not sure of another way to work through this question.
I don't see how you can get an *infinite* series!

First, write down the result for the case n=0. Then, consider the case with n=2. after doing integrations by parts, you may write the result in terms of the n=0 expression.

Now do it with n=4 which, after integrations by parts, may be written in terms of the result of n=2. At that point, the generalization should be obvious. The result is of the form "a" raised to a certain power times a factorial term.
 
Thanks for your quick replies. I am now able to get the answer :smile:
I should have done it that way from the start but for some reason that infinite series thing led me on a bit.
Thanks for all the help.
 
I just realized that i haven't been able to get the <p^n> part right where p=-i(h-bar)d/dx
i get <p^2>=(h-bar)^2 *a/2*sqrt(pi/a)
<p^4>=(-3/4)*(h-bar)^4 *a^2*sqrt(pi/a)
<p^6>=(-165/8)*(h-bar)^6 *a^4*sqrt(pi/a)
<p^8>=(4605/16)*(h-bar)^8 *a^6*sqrt(pi/a)
And this doesn't give me a nice relationship for <p^n>
i realize that p^n where n is odd =0.
I think i must have done something wrong with the maths somewhere, but i can't find where. And i am 90% sure that the <p^2> is correct but i don't know about the others.
 

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