QM question, angular momentum operator and eigen functions

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The discussion revolves around the angular momentum operator L(z) in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on its eigenfunctions and eigenvalues. Participants are examining the implications of a given azimuthal wave function and exploring the properties of the operator.

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  • Participants discuss the general form of eigenfunctions and eigenvalues for the operator L(z), with some suggesting specific forms and others questioning their completeness. There is a focus on the eigenvalue equation and the separability of eigenfunctions.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the eigenfunctions related to the operator L(z), with some participants providing specific forms while others challenge their generality. Questions about the definitions of eigenvalues and the completeness of solutions are being raised, indicating a productive dialogue without a clear consensus.

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Participants note that the problem may involve assumptions about separability and the need for normalization, as well as the potential for misunderstanding regarding the definitions of eigenvalues in the context of the operator.

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For the operator L(z) = -i[STRIKE]h[/STRIKE][d/d(phi)]

phi = azimuthal angle

1) write the general form of the eigenfunctions and the eigenvalues.
2) a particle has azimuthal wave function PHI = A*cos(phi)
what are the possible results of a measurement of the observable L(z) and what is the probability of each.

this is a past paper qu I am doing for revision
i think 1) is = A*R(r)*sin(theta)exp[i*phi] and the eigenvalue is [STRIKE]h[/STRIKE]
 
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indie452 said:
i think 1) is = A*R(r)*sin(theta)exp[i*phi] and the eigenvalue is [STRIKE]h[/STRIKE]

That's certainly an eigenfunction, but it isn't the most general form. What is the eigenvalue equation (expanded in the position basis) for the operator L_z? What do you get if you assume that the eigenfunctions are separable?
 
The question only ask for the eigenfunction of the operator L(z)
So you should not write out one hydrogen wavefunction which may count as WRONG answer!

Solve for L_{z}\Phi(\phi)=m\Phi(\phi) and you will get the answer. Think about it
 
i still don't really understand what i need to do...
when you say <br /> L_{z}\Phi(\phi)=m\Phi(\phi)<br /> is that you saying m is the eigenvalue? i thought that it was hbar.

im just confused cause we didnt try to find the eigenfunctions in lectures.
 
how about this?

L(z)\Phi = m\hbar*exp[im\phi]
-i\hbar*d/d\phi*\Phi = m\hbar*exp[im\phi]

so if \phi = Aexp[im\phi]
normalised A = 1/\sqrt{}2\pi
 
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indie452 said:
how about this?

L(z)\Phi = m\hbar*exp[im\phi]
-i\hbar*d/d\phi*\Phi = m\hbar*exp[im\phi]

so if \phi = Aexp[im\phi]
normalised A = 1/\sqrt{}2\pi

That doesn't prove that Ae^{im\phi} is the only eigenfunction. Assume that the state \psi(r,\theta,\phi) is an eigenfunction of the operator L_z. Furthermore, assume that \psi(r,\theta,\phi) is separable (i.e. \psi(r,\theta,\phi)=f(r)g(\theta)h(\phi)). Now apply the operator L_z to that eigenfunction and solve the differential equation you get.
 
okay i solved the partial diff. eqn. and got th same value for PHI,
 
does this eigen value answer the question?
 
I'm not sure exactly what your final answer is, you haven't posted it.
 
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i got the eigen function being

\frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}}eim\phi
 
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Then no, that is not the general form of the eigenfunction. Your eigenfunction can also have some radial or polar angle dependence, can it not?
 

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