Is a Modified Dipole Antenna Feasible for a Quad-Band GSM Design?

In summary, a member of the PF forum is seeking help with designing a quad-band GSM antenna for a vehicle. They have searched various sources and are asking for advice on using parasitic elements and EMPIRE software for simulations. Other members suggest using a segmented dipole or a vertical monopole with a low-profile design. The OP also asks for help with understanding S-parameters in relation to antenna design.
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AhmedEzz
I searched the forum and didn't find any input on this subject.

Dear PF members, I need your help. I am at training for a university, and am assigned a project where I should design a quad-band (or tri) GSM antenna for a vehicle. I am going to second year EE undergrad. so I am only required to set the furnishing ground for the project and produce a report at the end.

I have searched google, wikipedia, IEEE, and read Balanis and ARRL amateus book (first chapter only)...

I need to ask a few questions which I hope you might consider answering using your superior knowledge on the subject.

1 - I have in mind a "modified" dipole antenna which have parasitic elements. Each of those elements would resonate at one of the frequencies of GSM system (850/900/1800/1900). Is this feasible? If yes, can you give me an insight on how this can be done?

2 - I will be using EMPIRE software for simulations, is anyone familiar with it?

That is it for nowa, I hope you might not find this post too daunting for you. (after all, we are engineers).
 
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You could use a log periodic antenna, but it is broadband, so you will also pick up noise in the band that is not on the 850/900/1800/1900 frequencies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log-periodic_antenna

A better choice would be a segmented dipole, where the inner segment section resonates in the 1800/1900 band, and the full sections resonate in the 850/900 band. You use inductive elements to separate the inner dipole sections from the outer ones, so that only the inner sections resonate at the higher frequencies.

There's also an interesting "Dual Band Blade Antenna" discussed at wikipedia.org

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-band_blade_antenna#Dual_Band_Antennas

If you use a simple diople, though, it will not be very directional. You might add parasitic elements (that are also segmented) to get some directional gain. I'm not that familiar with GSM antennas -- how do you aim them when they're on a vehicle?
 
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they are supposed to be omni-directional (isotropic)...which makes sense because cells don't exist in one direction, they are everywhere. Therefore, it has to be omni-directional but it also has to cover a lot of horizontal ground.

It should also have a low-profile as security risks are high. Anyone can put a huge antenna in his car but the cleverness is to make it invisible.
 
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AhmedEzz said:
they are supposed to be omni-directional (isotropic)...which makes sense because cells don't exist in one direction, they are everywhere. Therefore, it has to be omni-directional but it also has to cover a lot of horizontal ground.

Ah, sorry, I thought GSM was a satellite-based phone thing. If it's terrestrial, for a vehicle, I'd just use a vertical monopole, with the car metal body as the ground plane. Segment the vertical element with the inductive element placed to give you the higher frequency with the first element. You can google dual band inductive trap antenna for more ideas.
 
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Nope, I want to integrate it in the windscreen. It is a novel thing, didn't find so many publishing on it. I am thinking rectangular microstrip antennas but I almost know nothing about them.

Your idea of a vertical monopole would have worked but as I said, it must be almost invisible.EDIT: You must be put off I didn't mention this before but I didn't want to narrow down my options before anyone shows interest.
 
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Un-visible, eh? Well, the quarter-wave combination element for 900MHz is about 8.3cm long (maybe less with the effective center load), so you could hide it in one of those low wings that you see on the rear trunks of some quasi-performance sedans. Just put it inside the vertical support of the wing on one side or the other... This is for your EE report, right? So you can set some creative rules, like you are designing the GSM antenna for sport sedans with wings (non-metallic wings, of course)... :approve:
 
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Well thanks a lot , I thought you will run out of ideas and not reply. Still, its weird that non of the other PF members replied...51 views. Where the engineers and physicists in here?

lol, I guess I'm just asking for too much. Thank you very much berkeman for your help.
 
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Wow, so there is something that you guys really don't know...never thought that might happen.

One question though and I hope someone would help me out a bit here.

Does anyone know "Empire XCcel" simulation software? If yes, do they know any tutorials there? Do you know where can I get STL files to import to the simulation (Car bodies for example?)
 
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OK, I reckon my last questions were very specific and honestly hard.


However, this is an easy question that I hope you might help me with.

What is the S-parameter in antenna?
 
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AhmedEzz said:
What is the S-parameter in antenna?

"Scattering" parameters are used to characterize the input and output impedances and transfer functions of a 2-port network:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S_parameters

The antenna can be considered such a network (you can measure the imput Z and the transfer function, for example).
 
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The S I'm talking about is measured vs. frequency so that you can know your resonant frequency. If this is the same S then please tell me... (there's so many parameters called S)...lol
 
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AhmedEzz said:
The S I'm talking about is measured vs. frequency so that you can know your resonant frequency. If this is the same S then please tell me... (there's so many parameters called S)...lol

Yes, the S parameters are measured versus frequency. You treat the antenna like a 1-port network. See "antenna measurements" in this Network Analyzer Application Note from Agilent:

http://cp.literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/5965-7917E.pdf

You can also use a VSWR meter between a signal generator and the antenna to find the frequency where you have minimum/no return power, which means the antenna is resonant, and the input Z is real, since all the power input is radiating away.

BTW, be careful with antenna experiments -- if you start transmitting in a band that you are not licensed in, you can cause harmful interference (and violate the FCC laws). You wouldn't want to be stepping on the local Police or Fire frequencies accidentally. That would not be good.
 
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Thanks a lot for your help Berkeman. We have a say in my country (Egypt) " He who serves people most, is their master".
 
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Glad to help. BTW, I did PM a friend to look at your thread questions above, but I think he may be on vacation. You may still get some feedback from this thread.
 
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I really hope so because this project can change my whole future. If I could succeed and impress my professor, he might ask me to do more projects for him, which very much improves my career prospects and boosts my potential.
 
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berkeman said:
If it's terrestrial, for a vehicle, I'd just use a vertical monopole, with the car metal body as the ground plane. Segment the vertical element with the inductive element placed to give you the higher frequency with the first element. You can google dual band inductive trap antenna for more ideas.
This is what I am thinking too, an isotropic multiband vertical, using the vehicle's metal chasis as a ground-plane. With the bands (and therefore dimensions) you are working with, you can design a high gain antenna for this application. (One method of increasing gain of a vertical antenna is to design a collinear array).

You probably want to research multi-band vertical antennas. If I were doing this project, I would start by looking my key words up in the school library. I would want to look at several books on antenna design & theory. Also find an amateur radio (ham) club in your area and ask the members about multiband vertical antennas. You will be surprised at the wealth of information they can provide. Many of them, already use multiband antennas and can speak with you, from experience. There may even be an active club at your school. Here is a site with a few ham operators in you country. Egyptian Amateur Radio Assembly.

Regarding invisibility, I've heard of apartment/condo dwellers hiding their HF vertical antennas inside of a plexiglass flagpole and hang a real flag on the pole :biggrin:. Can you think of an adaptation of this concept, for a vehicle?
 
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1. What is a Quad-band GSM antenna?

A Quad-band GSM antenna is a type of antenna that is designed to support four different frequencies used in GSM networks. These frequencies include 850 MHz, 900 MHz, 1800 MHz, and 1900 MHz, which are used in different regions around the world.

2. What are the key factors to consider when designing a Quad-band GSM antenna?

The key factors to consider when designing a Quad-band GSM antenna include the antenna's size, gain, impedance, and radiation pattern. The antenna's design should also take into account the specific frequency bands it needs to support and the desired coverage area.

3. How does a Quad-band GSM antenna differ from a single-band antenna?

A Quad-band GSM antenna is designed to support multiple frequency bands, while a single-band antenna is designed to only support one specific frequency band. This allows a Quad-band GSM antenna to provide wider coverage and better signal strength in areas where multiple frequency bands are used.

4. What are the common types of Quad-band GSM antenna designs?

The most common types of Quad-band GSM antenna designs include monopole, dipole, and patch antennas. Monopole and dipole antennas are typically used for mobile devices, while patch antennas are commonly used in base stations and other fixed installations.

5. How can I optimize the performance of a Quad-band GSM antenna?

To optimize the performance of a Quad-band GSM antenna, it is important to carefully consider the antenna's placement, orientation, and ground plane. The use of matching networks and filters can also help improve the antenna's performance and ensure it meets the required specifications for each frequency band.

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