Quantum corrections to force laws

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The discussion revolves around quantum corrections to force laws, specifically examining the implications of using full-photon propagators in quantum field theory and the differences between Abelian and non-Abelian gauge theories. Participants explore theoretical frameworks, mathematical formulations, and the nature of gauge invariance in the context of strong and electromagnetic interactions.

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  • One participant presents a mathematical formulation for the free photon-field and questions the implications of using the full-photon propagator, suggesting it may yield corrections to Coulomb's law.
  • Another participant argues that the strong coupling constant is not small, which complicates the application of similar corrections in non-Abelian gauge theories.
  • There is a discussion about the gauge invariance of the charge carried by fermions in non-Abelian gauge theory, with one participant expressing confusion about whether fermion charges can change.
  • A later reply elaborates on the derivation of conserved currents in gauge theories, emphasizing that the currents are gauge covariant but not conserved due to additional terms introduced by the gauge covariant derivative.
  • Participants discuss the implications of color charges in non-Abelian gauge theories, noting that arbitrary assignments of color charges are not gauge-invariant and can only be treated as initial conditions.

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Participants express differing views on the applicability of quantum corrections in non-Abelian gauge theories, particularly regarding the nature of the strong coupling constant and the treatment of color charges. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

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Participants highlight limitations related to gauge invariance and the treatment of charges in non-Abelian theories, as well as the dependence on the coupling constants being small or large. These factors contribute to the complexity of the discussion without reaching a consensus.

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For the free photon-field:

[tex]Z[J]=exp(\frac{i}{2} \int d^4x \int d^4y J^\mu(x)\Delta_{\mu \nu}} (x-y) J^\nu(y))[/tex]

where [tex]\Delta_{\mu \nu}}=g_{\mu \nu}/(k^2-i\epsilon)[/tex] is the free-photon propagator. This leads to Coloumb's law for the electrostatic energy between two charges at [tex]x_1[/tex] and [tex]x_2[/tex] when you plug in [tex]J(x)=e_1\delta(\vec{x}-\vec{x_1})+e_2\delta(\vec{x}-\vec{x_2})[/tex].

What happens if you use the full-photon propagator [tex]\Delta_{\mu \nu}}=g_{\mu \nu}/(k^2-\Pi(k^2)-i\epsilon)[/tex] instead? Since [tex]\Pi(k^2)[/tex] is of the order of the fine-structure constant when the fine-structure constant is small, wouldn't you get Coloumb's law plus a small correction?

Or is this cheating, and you need to include the full interaction Lagrangian in Z[J]:

[tex]Z[J]=exp(i \int d^4t \mathcal L_I(\frac{1}{i}\frac{\delta}{\delta J(t})) exp(\frac{i}{2} \int d^4x \int d^4y J^\mu(x)\Delta_{\mu \nu}} (x-y) J^\nu(y))[/tex]

to get the correction to Coloumb's law? Or is this all bad anyways because in the end, we will treat the surviving source functions, J(x), the electrons, as classical electrons, stationary point particles with delta functions? The correct fully quantum-mechanical way would be to just amputate the sources and plug in the external momenta instead of plugging in classical sources?

Because it seems to me that the only difference between non-Abelian gauge theories and Abelian ones are self-interactions of the boson field. If we can treat the self-interaction of the gluons as corrections to the propagator, then why can't we calculate perturbatively the gluon force?
 
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I thought the reason was that the strong coupling constant is NOT small? Isn't it on the order 1?

Another part of the issue is that in non-Abelian gauge theory, the charge carried by the fermions is not gauge-invariant. So you can't just put in sources where you have "one red quark here, one green quark there". The color charges on each quark are in fact a function of time (and space, if they were to move).
 
Ben Niehoff said:
I thought the reason was that the strong coupling constant is NOT small? Isn't it on the order 1?

I meant at high energies, when the strong coupling constant gets smaller.
Ben Niehoff said:
Another part of the issue is that in non-Abelian gauge theory, the charge carried by the fermions is not gauge-invariant. So you can't just put in sources where you have "one red quark here, one green quark there". The color charges on each quark are in fact a function of time (and space, if they were to move).

Are you sure the fermion charges can change? I thought only the gluon charges could change? Wait, doesn't Noether's theorem say something that it's all conserved? I'm confused now.
 
To find the conserved currents, vary the Lagrangian by a global, infinitesimal gauge transformation. Or do it the following, easier way. Define the fermion current as

[tex]j_a^\mu = -g \bar \psi \gamma^\mu T_a \psi[/tex]

Note that the current is in the adjoint representation. Anyway, vary the Lagrangian in the standard way to obtain the equations of motion, and you should get

[tex]j_a^\nu = D_\mu F_a^{\mu\nu}[/tex]

where D is the gauge covariant derivative. Taking another gauge covariant derivative on both sides, you should obtain

[tex]D_\nu j_a^\nu = D_\nu D_\mu F_a^{\mu\nu} = 0[/tex]

So, this current is gauge covariant, but NOT conserved, because the gauge covariant derivative has an extra term. Writing out the gauge covariant derivative in full,

[tex]j_a^\nu = \partial_\mu F_a^{\mu\nu} + gf^{abc} A^b_\mu F_c^{\mu\nu}[/tex]

[tex]j_a^\nu - gf^{abc} A^b_\mu F_c^{\mu\nu} = \partial_\mu F_a^{\mu\nu}[/tex]

Now take derivatives on both sides to get

[tex]\partial_\nu (j_a^\nu - gf^{abc} A^b_\mu F_c^{\mu\nu}) = \partial_\nu \partial_\mu F_a^{\mu\nu} = 0[/tex]

and so the conserved current is

[tex]j_a^\nu - gf^{abc} A^b_\mu F_c^{\mu\nu}[/tex]

which is NOT gauge invariant. This makes sense, because the gluon field carries charge, too, so to have total conservation you must take it into account.

In particular, though, you can't assign arbitrary color charges to things, except as initial conditions (allowing them to change afterward). Any object with a free color index is not gauge-invariant, and therefore not strictly physical. The only physical quantities are the Wilson loop integrals.
 

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