Quantum decoherence vs. measurement process

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The discussion centers on the relationship between quantum decoherence and the measurement process, particularly in the context of macroscopic detectors. Participants explore whether decoherence can account for the instantaneous outcomes of quantum measurements.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the short decoherence time for macroscopic objects like detectors implies that decoherence could explain the instantaneous outcomes of quantum measurements.
  • Others argue that decoherence does not account for why measurements yield single outcomes, but rather explains the absence of interference between different outcomes.
  • A different perspective emphasizes that the influence of a measurement on the state of the detection system is crucial, noting that a detector capturing a photon without disturbing its spin would not cause decoherence of that spin.
  • One participant mentions that once a measurement results in a change, such as the movement of a dial or the recording of data, the measured state can be considered decohered.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of decoherence in quantum measurement outcomes, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of the relationship between decoherence and measurement, with participants pointing out various assumptions and conditions that influence their arguments.

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The decoherence time is extremely short for macroscopic objects like a detector. Does this mean that the outcome of a quantum measurement which happens instantaneous can be understood as being caused by decoherence?
 
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timmdeeg said:
The decoherence time is extremely short for macroscopic objects like a detector. Does this mean that the outcome of a quantum measurement which happens instantaneous can be understood as being caused by decoherence?
No, because decoherence does not explain why measurements have single outcomes. It only explains why there is no interference between different outcomes.
 
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timmdeeg said:
The decoherence time is extremely short for macroscopic objects like a detector. Does this mean that the outcome of a quantum measurement which happens instantaneous can be understood as being caused by decoherence?
The detector may be large, but what is important is how much influence a measurement has on the state of the detection system. A detector that captures a photon or other particle without disturbing its spin would not result in decoherence of the spin. Once a measurement has resulted in the movement of a dial or the recording or transmission of measurement data, that measured state is committed - it can be "understood" as decohered.
 
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Thanks to both of you for clarifying my question.
 

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