Quantum entanglement and parallel displacement

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The discussion revolves around the implications of quantum entanglement and general relativity, particularly focusing on the behavior of entangled particles when subjected to parallel displacement in curved spacetime. Participants explore whether the correlations in spin measurements of entangled particles remain consistent with quantum mechanical predictions after traveling around the galaxy and being measured using Stern-Gerlach devices.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that parallel displacement of spin vectors in curved spacetime could alter the states of entangled particles in a way that may not align with quantum mechanical predictions.
  • One participant suggests that measuring one particle's spin state implies a corresponding state for the other particle, but questions arise about the implications of this on the collapse theory of quantum mechanics.
  • Another participant argues that the correlation between Alice's and Bob's particles may not necessarily be perfect anti-correlation due to the complexities introduced by curved spacetime.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of entanglement and how rotating a particle's spin does not necessarily collapse its state, with some participants questioning how this is possible without measurement.
  • A participant attempts to clarify the quantum mechanical framework for predicting probabilities and correlations, introducing mathematical expressions related to amplitude calculations for measurement outcomes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of general relativity for quantum entanglement, with no consensus reached on whether parallel displacement affects quantum correlations or how entangled states behave under rotation. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding how quantum mechanics interacts with curved spacetime, particularly regarding the definitions of spin states and the implications of measurement. There are unresolved questions about the nature of entanglement and the effects of spatial transformations on quantum states.

  • #31
Adel Makram said:
the state of the other particle must also be changed accordingly in order to conserve the total spin.

No, the angular momentum gets transferred into the apparatus.

This doesn't decohere the spin because the apparatus is in a large decohered/mixed state, so it's not possible even in principle to determine with good fidelity whether a +1 or -1 was added to the apparatus' total angular momentum (without access to the pure state of the entire environment). As a result, the spin remains almost entirely coherent w.r.t. the experiment when rotated.
 
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  • #32
Strilanc said:
No, the angular momentum gets transferred into the apparatus.

This doesn't decohere the spin because the apparatus is in a large decohered/mixed state, so it's not possible even in principle to determine with good fidelity whether a +1 or -1 was added to the apparatus' total angular momentum (without access to the pure state of the entire environment). As a result, the spin remains almost entirely coherent w.r.t. the experiment when rotated.
The angular momentum of two entangled particles get transferred into the apparatus not only the particle which enters the apparatus.
 
  • #33
Adel Makram said:
The angular momentum of two entangled particles get transferred into the apparatus not only the particle which enters the apparatus.

No, the transferred angular momentum only comes from the one particle.

Because the particle is in a superposition of states there's actually two opposing transfers that happen (also in superposition). Normally this would cause more entanglement, creating a GHZ state and significantly weakening the entanglement between EPR pair, but the apparatus being in a large mixed state fixes that problem.
 
  • #34
Strilanc said:
No, the transferred angular momentum only comes from the one particle.

Because the particle is in a superposition of states there's actually two opposing transfers that happen (also in superposition). Normally this would cause more entanglement, creating a GHZ state and significantly weakening the entanglement between EPR pair, but the apparatus being in a large mixed state fixes that problem.
The Stern Gerlach device or the magnetic field in our discussion also deflects the particle into two different paths which marks the state of the particle. For example, if the particle passes the device in a spin up state, it is deflected up and vice versa, so we would not expect the particle to be detected in the same straight line which it has followed before entering the field. This can be considered as partial measurement, partial because the spin state is now reduced to two values but we don`t know which one of them is the actual state until we choose which direction we have to watch the particle. So if the particle moves in x-direction in the line y=0, we expect the particle that arrive at the screen at y=y` to be spin up and at y=-y` to be spin down. The process of momentum transfer to the device is not important here, what is important is the net result. And the net result is a partial measurement, then this also applied to the entangled particle.
So rotating the spin without measuring it, is similar to say that the particle has undefined spin before entering SG device and the device rotates that spin by a definite angle but we still don`t know the direction of spin after exiting the device because we don`t know the direction before entering the device and that is set. While what happens is that SG reduces the spin from undefined value of all possible angles to only two values 180 degree apart along the direction of the device.
 
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  • #35
Adel Makram said:
This means an EM field with a screen is equivalent to SG device.

SG magnet changes the particle's momentum because it produces an inhomogeneous magnetic field. Constant magnetic field only rotates the spin, so the position measurement on the screen will not tell me about the spin.
 

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