Quantum gravity - Planck's constant as a scalar field?

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The discussion centers around a theory proposing that Planck's constant may be treated as a scalar field in the context of quantum gravity. Participants explore the implications of this idea, particularly regarding the relationship between Planck's constant, the Planck mass, and Newton's gravitational constant. The conversation includes technical aspects of the theory, its derivation, and the credibility of the source material.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of the author's claim that gravity can be coupled to Planck's constant, noting a potential circularity in the definitions used.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the Planck mass is defined in relation to Planck's constant and gravitational constant, suggesting that the author's equation does not provide new information.
  • Concerns are raised about the credibility of the source, with one participant noting that the article is from an archive and not a peer-reviewed journal, while another mentions the author's previous publication history in reputable journals.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the speculative nature of the theory, indicating that it may require further development and scrutiny.
  • There is a recognition that the author has a serious reputation and is not considered a crackpot, with references to her blog and previous work.

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Participants express a mix of skepticism and interest regarding the theory. While some agree on the author's credibility, there is no consensus on the validity of the claims made in the paper or the implications of treating Planck's constant as a scalar field.

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Participants note the speculative nature of the theory and the potential need for more rigorous development. Concerns about the source material and the derivation of key equations are also highlighted, indicating limitations in the discussion.

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Readers interested in quantum gravity, theoretical physics, and the interplay between quantum mechanics and gravity may find this discussion relevant.

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"Quantum" gravity -- Planck's constant as a scalar field?

I was just reading about a fascinating new theory on the solution to the quantum gravity problem:

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1212.0454.pdf

I really like it, but I have one big problem with it:

The author states that
G = \frac{\hbar c}{m_{Pl}^2}
where m_{Pl}^2 is the Planck mass, and says that gravity can then be considered to be coupled to Planck's constant. But my issue is: if m_{Pl}^2 is defined to be \hbar c/ G, then isn't this an empty statement? Specifically, the author goes on to say that Planck's constant could in fact be a scalar field, and the observed nonzero value of the Planck constant could be due to symmetry breaking after the big bang, much like in the Higgs mechanism. When defining Newton's gravitational constant, the author casually mentions that the Planck mass is constant, but how can that be true if it is tied to the Planck constant, which the author says is not actually a constant? Does the author mean that the Planck mass is equal to \hbar_0 c/G where \hbar_0 is the current, experimental value of Planck's constant (The ground state of the field)? Is that valid?

Just wanted to get PF's thoughts on it. Thanks!
 
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Is this article published in a Journal? All I can see is that it is from a Cornell U archive site. It looks like it could be some student's homework assignment. That may important in trying to address your question because I'm not seeing how Sabine derived that equation. Does it come out of a dimensional analysis of the Planck units? Or did he/she just make it up? That would be good to know as a start.
 


Well, it comes from the fact that the Planck mass, m_{Pl} is DEFINED to be = \hbar c/ G, which basically comes from first principle. The thing is, everything besides G cancels out, so you basically get G = G, which gives you nothing.

The expression for the Planck mass can be found on its wikipedia page. I am unsure as to the source of this article. I do not know if it was published in a journal.
 
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I managed to trace this to "third prize winner in the FQXi" essay contest.

I'm not familiar with FQXi, and I tend to be suspicious of sources I'm not familiar with.

A quick check into the author, Hossenfelder, shows they have some publication history in reputable journals (Physics Letters, for example).

My thoughts - overall I agree with the author's summay

I have argued that the fundamental theory can be neither classical nor quantized, but that quantization may be a phase that results from spontaneous symmetry breaking. Needless to say, this proposal is presently very speculative and immature.

And I think the idea is interesting and genuine, but needs more development (hence the publication in a rather off-the-beaten-track source. This is a bit of a red flag, but from my perspective the article doesn't seem obviously silly (unlike a lot of ideas one sees in off-the-beaten track journals). But I'm not terribly familiar with more than the basics of QM, so I can't say that someone more familiar wouldn't see flaws I don't.

I do give the author credit for fairly representing the status of the idea - it's apparently an idea he/she has been trying to work on to "beat into shape".
 

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