Comparing Planck's Mass, Length, Time and Energy

In summary, Sean Carroll discusses Planck's set of four dimensioned quantities: Planck's mass, length, time, and energy. He compares them to actual things and explains that quantum gravity only becomes important at scales larger than the Planck mass or longer than the Planck time. Particle masses greater than ##m_p## and energies greater than ##E_p## are commonplace in classical GR, but are far removed from observable phenomena. Constructing a consistent theory of quantum gravity is more of a theoretical issue than a practical one. The LHC can accelerate protons to about a millionth of the Planck energy, but we would need a much larger accelerator to reach energies comparable to ##E_p##.
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Planck's mass, length, time and energy. I wanted to compare them with actual things. Some don't seem extreme.
Sean Carroll gives the Planck's set of four dimensioned quantities: Planck's mass, length, time and energy. I wanted to compare them with actual things.\begin{align}

m_p=\sqrt{\frac{\hbar c}{G}}&=2.18\times{10}^{-8}\rm{kg}&\rm{{10}^{7}\ E. coli}\phantom {100000000000000000000}&\phantom {10000}(1)\nonumber\\

l_p=\sqrt{\frac{\hbar G}{c^3}}&=1.63\times{10}^{-35}\rm{m}&\rm{Radius\ of\ proton\ ={10}^{-15}\ m}\phantom {10000}&\phantom {10000}(2)\nonumber\\

t_p=\sqrt{\frac{\hbar G}{c^5}}&=5.39\times{10}^{-44}\rm{s}&\rm{Cosmic\ inflation\ ends\ at\ {10}^{-32}s}\phantom {10000}&\phantom {10000}(3)\nonumber\\

E_p=\sqrt{\frac{\hbar c^5}{G}}&=1.95\times{10}^9\rm{J}&\rm{Sun\ emits{\ 10}^{26}\ Js^{-1}. \text{ A-bomb}\rm={10}^{12}}\ J&\phantom {10000}(4)\nonumber\\

&=1.22\times{10}^{19}\rm{GeV}&

&\phantom {10000}\nonumber

\end{align}He then says "Most likely, quantum gravity does not become important until we consider particle masses greater than ##m_p##, or times shorter than ##t_p##, or lengths smaller than ##l_p##, or energies greater than ##E_p##; at lower scales classical GR should suffice. Since these are all far removed from observable phenomena, constructing a consistent theory of quantum gravity is more an issue of principle than of practice."

Whilst it is unimaginable that we will see things shorter than ##t_p## or smaller than ##l_p##, particle masses ('point masses') greater than ##m_p## are commonplace in GR and energies greater than ##E_p## are happening all the time. Can anybody help me make sense of the ##m_p,E_p## parts? And why are those 'greater than' and the others 'less than'?
 
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From your post I calculate "Planck momentum" of M_p c= 6.54 kg m/s which amounts a pitched baseball with 100 miles/hour speed. We can see it in major league game.
 
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He means energies involved in a single particle-particle collision. The LHC can accelerate protons to about a millionth of the Planck energy (if memory serves) (edit:) of a Joule, so we're going to need a bigger accelerator.
 
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mitochan said:
From your post I calculate "Planck momentum" of M_p c= 6.54 kg m/s which amounts a pitched baseball with 100 miles/hour speed. We can see it in major league game.
Much better than collecting 10 million bacteria!
 
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Ibix said:
The LHC can accelerate protons to about a millionth of the Planck energy (if memory serves), so we're going to need a bigger accelerator
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider say "After upgrades it reached 6.5 TeV per beam 13 TeV (= ##1.3\times 10^4## GeV) total collision energy," so that's ##10^{15}## times bigger!
 
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Correct - my memory was faulty. It's one millionth of a Joule they can reach (source). So we're going to need an even bigger accelerator.
 

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