Quantum harmonic oscillator wave function

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The discussion revolves around finding the wave function Φα for a quantum harmonic oscillator given the Hamiltonian and the action of a lowering operator. Participants explore the relationship between the wave function and the eigenstates of the Hamiltonian, as well as the implications of the lowering operator's action.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the expansion of the wave function in terms of eigenstates and the formulation of recursion relations for coefficients. Questions arise about the behavior of the wave function under the lowering operator and the role of the complex parameter α.

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The discussion is active with various participants offering insights into the mathematical structure of the problem. Some participants suggest using the properties of eigenfunctions and ladder operators, while others express confusion about specific aspects, such as involving the parameter α in their reasoning.

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There is an emphasis on not seeking direct solutions but rather understanding the relationships and properties of the operators and eigenstates involved. Participants also note the distinction between the eigenfunctions of the Hamiltonian and those of the lowering operator.

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How do you find the wave function Φα when given the Hamiltonian, and the equation:

α(x) = αΦα(x)

Where I know the operator

a = 1/21/2((x/(ħ/mω)1/2) + i(p/(mħω)1/2))

And the Hamiltonian,

(p2/2m) + (mω2x2)/2

And α is a complex parameter.

I obviously don't want someone to do this question for me, just a point in the right direction. Thanks in advance!
 
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Do a Google search with terms "harmonic oscillator raising and lowering operators" and you will probably find many web sites where this is discussed in detail.
 
hilbert2 said:
Do a Google search with terms "harmonic oscillator raising and lowering operators" and you will probably find many web sites where this is discussed in detail.
I've read a lot of them, what I don't understand is that when you apply a lowering or raising operator Φα becomes Φα+1 or Φα-1 yet here it doesn't change.
 
Suppose the function ##\Phi_\alpha## can be expanded in terms of ##\psi_n##, the eigenstates of the harmonic oscillator hamiltonian:

##\Phi_\alpha (x) = c_0 \psi_0 (x) + c_1 \psi_1 (x) + c_2 \psi_2 (x) + \dots##.

Now form a recursion equation for the numbers ##c_n## from the condition ##a\Phi_\alpha = \alpha\Phi_\alpha##

EDIT: Sorry, I meant "recurrence relation", which is typical English-language term for that.
 
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hilbert2 said:
Suppose the function ##\Phi_\alpha## can be expanded in terms of ##\psi_n##, the eigenstates of the harmonic oscillator hamiltonian:

##\Phi_\alpha (x) = c_0 \psi_0 (x) + c_1 \psi_1 (x) + c_2 \psi_2 (x) + \dots##.

Now form a recursion equation for the numbers ##c_n## from the condition ##a\Phi_\alpha = \alpha\Phi_\alpha##

EDIT: Sorry, I meant "recurrence relation", which is typical English-language term for that.
Is this required to solve it via ladder operators?
 
^ Yes, you have to use the fact that any quantum state can be expanded in the basis of the eigenfunctions of the hamiltonian, and also the knowledge of how the ladder operators act on those functions.
 
hilbert2 said:
^ Yes, you have to use the fact that any quantum state can be expanded in the basis of the eigenfunctions of the hamiltonian, and also the knowledge of how the ladder operators act on those functions.
After doing extensive reading on and around it, I know how to find the formula for different energies corresponding to different eigenfunctions, but now I need to put Φα(x) in the form of a normalisation constant C multiplied by an exponential.
 
The action of a lowering operator ##a## on a QHO eigenstate ##\psi_n## is:

##a\psi_n (x) = \sqrt{n}\psi_{n-1}(x)## .

Now form a general linear combination from the functions ##\psi_n## and act on it with ##a##:

##a\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} c_n \psi_n (x) = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \sqrt{n} c_n \psi_{n-1} (x) = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \sqrt{n+1} c_{n+1} \psi_{n} (x)## .

Now you should be able to write an equation for ##c_n## in terms of ##c_{n-1}## and ##\alpha##.
 
hilbert2 said:
The action of a lowering operator ##a## on a QHO eigenstate ##\psi_n## is:

##a\psi_n (x) = \sqrt{n}\psi_{n-1}(x)## .

Now form a general linear combination from the functions ##\psi_n## and act on it with ##a##:

##a\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} c_n \psi_n (x) = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \sqrt{n} c_n \psi_{n-1} (x) = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \sqrt{n+1} c_{n+1} \psi_{n} (x)## .

Now you should be able to write an equation for ##c_n## in terms of ##c_{n-1}## and ##\alpha##.
I don't understand how to involve alpha. Thanks so much for all your help by the way.
 
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Would I be correct in saying ∑(n-1)^½ Cn-1 Ψn(x)
 
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The eigenfunctions ##\psi_n## are linearly independent, therefore ##\alpha c_n = \sqrt{n+1}c_{n+1}## (why?). So what are the first few terms in the expansion of ##\Phi_\alpha (x)## ?
 
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Dean Navels said:
How do you find the wave function Φα when given the Hamiltonian, and the equation:

α(x) = αΦα(x)

Where I know the operator

a = 1/21/2((x/(ħ/mω)1/2) + i(p/(mħω)1/2))

And the Hamiltonian,

(p2/2m) + (mω2x2)/2

And α is a complex parameter.
See, for example http://quantummechanics.ucsd.edu/ph130a/130_notes/node153.html
The solutions of the Schrödinger equation can be written as a product of a Gaussian with a polynomial. You get recurrence relation among the coeffiients of the polynomials. These polynomials have the name Hermite polynomials.
 
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^ He's not looking for the eigenfunctions of the hamiltonian, the problem is about the eigenfunctions of the lowering operator.
 

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