Quantum Model of an Atom with more than one electron

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The discussion revolves around modeling multi-electron atoms, focusing on the challenges encountered when extending a simple one-electron model to more complex systems. Participants explore the implications of the Pauli Exclusion Principle and various methods for improving accuracy in calculations of atomic energy levels.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a successful one-electron model that accurately predicts ionization energies but fails for multi-electron atoms.
  • Another participant suggests the Hartree-Fock method as a necessary approach for modeling multi-electron atoms, highlighting the need to consider electron-electron interactions.
  • A different participant reflects on the complexity of accurately calculating the ground state energy of helium, noting that various methods can yield results within a few percent of the true value.
  • It is mentioned that the process of refining models can be extensive, with many researchers dedicating their careers to the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a general agreement on the challenges of modeling multi-electron atoms and the need for more sophisticated methods, but there is no consensus on the best approach or the extent of complexity involved.

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Limitations include the dependence on the chosen model and the assumptions made regarding electron interactions. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical intricacies involved in multi-electron systems.

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This discussion may be useful for students and researchers interested in atomic physics, computational methods in quantum mechanics, and the theoretical challenges of multi-electron systems.

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Hi,

I just completed an assignment modelling an atom with one electron.
The model was very simple, assuming that only coulombs law applied, then solving for standing wave solutions to the Schrödinger equation to find ionization energies.

I was astounded how accurate it was. i thought it would be maybe +/- 5% but instead it was correct within 0.5% for the first 10 atoms. It gave me a bit of an ego boost which is probably why I am asking this.

I noticed that for more than one electron the model failed spectacularly. Which got me wondering what's the next step?

My guess is its the Pauli Exclusion Principle but how is it applied?
 
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For multi-electron atoms you need something like the Hartree-Fock method.

The basic problem is that you have to take into account not only the Coulumb potential energy between each electron and the nucleus, but also between each pair of electrons.
 
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Thanks :)
That was what i was looking for
 
The next step is messy, and I'm not sure there's an end to the number of steps as you add more and more reality. In school one of my class assignments was to calculate the ground state energy of helium as accurately as possible, and most people including me approached this by treating the (unknown) eigenfunctions as sums of hydrogenic eigenfunctions while including the potential between the electrons in schroedinger's equation. As I recall this gets you within a few percent, and if you adjust the effective Z to minimize the energy you can get an upper bound that is within a fraction of a percent.

People spend careers and write thick books on calculating energy levels in complex ions, so it's as complicated as you want it to be.
 

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