Qubits and angular momentum-like operators

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The discussion revolves around the properties of qubits and angular momentum-like operators, specifically focusing on the common eigenvectors of commuting observables in a three-qubit system. Participants explore the implications of angular momentum theory and representation theory in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines angular momentum-like operators for a three-qubit system and derives commutation relations.
  • Another participant notes that each qubit behaves like a spin-1/2 particle and discusses the addition of angular momentum representations, suggesting that the dimension of the space should be 8.
  • A third participant expresses a lack of familiarity with representation theory and requests a linear algebra explanation for the multiplicity of eigenvalues and the identification of missing common eigenvectors.
  • A later reply emphasizes the need for a maximal set of commuting operators to fully determine the state, suggesting that the current analysis is insufficient and hints at a procedure for combining spins to find additional states.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the completeness of the eigenvector set or the identification of the missing common eigenvectors. Multiple views on the necessity of additional commuting observables and the implications of representation theory are presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the current understanding of the relationship between eigenvectors and commuting observables, as well as the need for further exploration of angular momentum addition rules.

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Hi guys, my quesion is quite simple but I think I need to give some background...
Let's suppose I have 3 qubits, so the basis of the space is:

\left\{{\left |{000}\right>,\left |{001}\right>,\left |{010}\right>,\left |{100}\right>,\left |{011}\right>,\left |{101}\right>,\left |{110}\right>,\left |{111}\right>}\right\}

i.e. the dimesion is 2^{3}=8

I define the angular momentum-like operators:

J_{z}=\left [{\frac{1}{2}\left ({\left |{1}\right>\left <{1}\right|-\left |{0}\right>\left <{0}\right|}\right)\otimes I \otimes I}\right] + \left [{I \otimes \frac{1}{2}\left ({\left |{1}\right>\left <{1}\right|-\left |{0}\right>\left <{0}\right|}\right) \otimes I}\right] + \left [{I \otimes I \otimes \frac{1}{2}\left ({\left |{1}\right>\left <{1}\right|-\left |{0}\right>\left <{0}\right|}\right)}\right]
J_{+}=\left [{|1⟩⟨0|⊗I⊗I}\right]+\left [{I⊗|1⟩⟨0|⊗I}\right]+\left [{I⊗I⊗|1⟩⟨0|}\right]
J_{-}=\left [{|0⟩⟨1|⊗I⊗I}\right]+\left [{I⊗|0⟩⟨1|⊗I}\right]+\left [{I⊗I⊗|0⟩⟨1|}\right]
J^{2}=\frac{1}{2}\left ({J_{+}J_{-}+J_{-}J_{+}}\right)+J_{z}^{2}


And get the right commutation relations:

[J_{z},J_{\pm{}}]=\pm{}J_{\pm{}}
[J_{+},J_{-}]=2J_{z}
[J^{2},J_{z}]=0

So I deduce J^{2} and J_{z} share a common set of eigenvectors \left\{{\left |{j,m}\right>}\right\} where \left |{m}\right |\leq{j}\leq{\displaystyle\frac{3}{2}}

But there are only 6 of this vectors:

\left\{{\left |{j=\frac{3}{2},m=\frac{3}{2}}\right>,\left |{j=\frac{3}{2},m=\frac{1}{2}}\right>,\left |{j=\frac{3}{2},m=-\frac{1}{2}}\right>,\left |{j=\frac{3}{2},m=-\frac{3}{2}}\right>,\left |{j=\frac{1}{2},m=\frac{1}{2}}\right>,\left |{j=\frac{1}{2},m=-\frac{1}{2}}\right>}\right\}

So my question is, does the sharing set of eigenvectors between two commuting observables must be complete?

Why isn't complete in this example?
What are the other 2 missing common eigenvectors?

Thanks in advance! :smile:
 
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Each qbit is like one spin 1/2, i.e., your 3-qbit space is the direct product of three spins 1/2.

Now you can use the angular-momentum-addition rules to reduce out the irreducible representations of the rotation group. Then you find
\frac{1}{2} \otimes \frac{1}{2} \otimes \frac{1}{2}=(0 \oplus 1) \otimes \frac{1}{2} = \frac{1}{2} \oplus \frac{1}{2} \oplus \frac{3}{2},
i.e., except of the irreducible representation 3/2 you have two more spin-1/2 representations, which makes the correct dimension 4+2+2=8.
 
I'm not really into representation theory, but as far as I understand, the only thing that I get from there is the multiplicity of the eigenvalues... Could you explain your answer using linear algebra?

I'm looking for the other two common eigenvectors.

Thank you
 
lfqm said:
So I deduce J^{2} and J_{z} share a common set of eigenvectors \left\{{\left |{j,m}\right>}\right\} where \left |{m}\right |\leq{j}\leq{\displaystyle\frac{3}{2}}

But there are only 6 of this vectors:

...

So my question is, does the sharing set of eigenvectors between two commuting observables must be complete?

Why isn't complete in this example?
What are the other 2 missing common eigenvectors?

Thanks in advance! :smile:

In order to totally determine the state, you need a maximal set of commuting operators. Your analysis has basically told you that you haven't done this yet: j and m aren't sufficient to determine the state. Vanhees was trying to send you on the right track by suggesting you consider adding the three spins pairwise. His equation is written in group theory notation, but the idea is simple: adding two spin-1/2s result in a spin-0 (1 dimensional) and a spin-1 (3 dimensional). Then, you add the last spin-1/2 to both of these results. The spin-1/2 and spin-0 give you a spin-1/2 (2-dim). The spin-1/2 and spin-1 gives you both a spin-1/2 (2-dim) and spin-3/2 (4-dim). So 8-dimensional as required.

Now think about the above procedure. Clearly, enumerating the number of final states involved required knowing what the total angular momentum of the first two spin-1/2s is. We seem to have a commuting observable!
 

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