Question about a complex regarded as a topological space

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a simplicial complex regarded as a topological space, specifically focusing on the identification topology, homeomorphism between certain spaces, and the distinction between simplicial complexes and topological spaces.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants seek clarification on the identification topology and its implications for simplices in a simplicial complex.
  • There is a question regarding whether |CK| and C|K| are homeomorphic spaces, with some participants suggesting they might be equal.
  • One participant notes that CK refers to the cone on K, while |K| denotes a topological space rather than a simplicial complex.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the distinction between simplices as geometric objects and their treatment as topological spaces.
  • A participant argues that simplicial complexes are frameworks that can be overlaid on topological spaces, emphasizing their independent theory and the existence of multiple simplicial decompositions for a given space.
  • There is mention of the interesting question regarding the equivalence of simplicial decompositions of manifolds, indicating that topology alone does not determine equivalence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the concepts discussed, indicating that multiple competing views remain on the relationship between simplicial complexes and topological spaces, as well as on the specifics of homeomorphism between |CK| and C|K|.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for clarity on the definitions and implications of identification topology, as well as the distinctions between simplicial complexes and their topological realizations. There are unresolved questions about the nature of homeomorphism between the discussed spaces.

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Definition. A complex K,when regarded as a topological space,is called a polyhedron and written |K|.

I think it is easy to understand the definition,but there are some theorem and problems involving it confused me.

1.Let K be a simplicial complex in E^n,if we take the simplexes of K separately and give their union the identification topology,then we obtain exactly |K|.

And also I don't understand explicitly about identification topology,I only know a set A in Y is open if and only if \pi ^{ - 1} (A) is open in X for which \pi
is the map from X to the identification space Y.

What exactly does it means by saying 'if we take simplexes of K separately and give their union the identification topology'?What occurs to the simplexes of K by this?

2.Check that |CK| and C|K| are homeomorphic spaces.

Does it need proof? I think |CK|=C|K|,isn't it? If not,what's the difference between them?

Thank you very much!:smile:
 
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kakarotyjn said:
Definition. A complex K,when regarded as a topological space,is called a polyhedron and written |K|.

I think it is easy to understand the definition,but there are some theorem and problems involving it confused me.

1.Let K be a simplicial complex in E^n,if we take the simplexes of K separately and give their union the identification topology,then we obtain exactly |K|.

And also I don't understand explicitly about identification topology,I only know a set A in Y is open if and only if \pi ^{ - 1} (A) is open in X for which \pi
is the map from X to the identification space Y.

What exactly does it means by saying 'if we take simplexes of K separately and give their union the identification topology'?What occurs to the simplexes of K by this?

2.Check that v| are homeomorphic spaces.

Does it need proof? I think |CK|=C|K|,isn't it? If not,what's the difference between them?

Thank you very much!:smile:

1. The simplices separately each have the topology they inherit as polyhedra in Euclidean space. These polyhedra are then glued together along facets of the simplices to produce the topological realization of the simplicial complex.

2.what are |CK| and C|K?
 
Thank you,lavinia! It seems a little clearer to me

CK is the cone on K.
 
kakarotyjn said:
2.Check that |CK| and C|K| are homeomorphic spaces.

Does it need proof? I think |CK|=C|K|,isn't it? If not,what's the difference between them?

I think C|K| is the cone on a topological space. |K| denotes a topological space not a simplicial complex.

CK is a simplicial complex not a topological space. |CK| is its topological realization.
 
I can't figure out why we distinguish the two concepts so preciously,why not regard a simplex not only a simplex but also a topological space?:confused:
 
kakarotyjn said:
I can't figure out why we distinguish the two concepts so preciously,why not regard a simplex not only a simplex but also a topological space?:confused:

A simplicial complex is a scaffholding overlayed upon a topological space. It is not a topological structure in and of itself. A given space will have infinite many different simplicial decompositions.

Simplicial complexes have there own theory, independent of their topology, e.g. they have homology theories.

An interesting question for manifolds is whether two simplicial decompositions are equivalent i.e. whether each can be subdivided into the same complex. If only the topology were interesting then this would be true. But there are examples where this fails this is, there are simplicial decompositions of the same topological space that are not equivalent.
 

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