Question about Gauss's law, finding electric field and potential field

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The discussion revolves around applying Gauss's Law to find the electric field and potential field in a given problem involving a sphere. Participants are exploring the implications of their calculations for different regions (inside and outside the sphere) and the integration process for determining the potential.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the electric field and potential using Gauss's Law but encounters confusion regarding the integration limits for potential. Some participants question the choice of integrating from infinity and whether the approach differs for points inside the sphere.

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Participants are actively discussing the integration process for calculating potential, with some suggesting breaking the integral into parts for clarity. There is a focus on understanding the implications of the electric field inside the sphere and how to approach the potential calculation correctly.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the integration limits and the treatment of potential inside the sphere, as well as references to the electrostatic Maxwell equations. The original poster's calculations suggest a misunderstanding of the potential at certain points, leading to questions about the assumptions made in the problem setup.

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I'm having trouble with the second part b) for this problem.

I used Gauss's Law and for a I got

r<R

[tex]E = \frac{{r}^{2}}{4\varepsilon}[/tex]

and for r>R

[tex]E = \frac{{R}^{4}}{4\varepsilon{r}^{2}}[/tex]

and then

[tex]V = \int{E.dr}[/tex]

from r to infinity right? So

for r>R I got

[tex]V = \frac{{R}^{4}}{4\varepsilon r}[/tex]

but for r<R

I get [tex]V = \left[ \frac{{r}^{3}}{12\varepsilon}\right][/tex] from infinity to r so I would get infinity which doesn't make sense,

can someone help me please?
 
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Why from infinity ?
 
BvU said:
Why from infinity ?

because isn't the potential field always the integral of the electric field from r to infinity?

but is it different when you integrate inside the sphere?
 
Yes, to get V at r inside you want the integral [itex]V = \int{E.dr}[/itex] from r to infinity. But you'll need to break this up into an integral from r to R and then from R to infinity. For R to infinity, you can just use your result for outside.
 
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First find the potential at distance 0< r < R inside the sphere. (Hint: think of shells) Then we know for electrostatic case ##E=-\nabla V##.

For outside the sphere, you were right in using gauss's law.
 
Hint: It's much easier to use the local form of the electrostatic Maxwell equations (as is almost always the case). Here you just can make the ansatz
[tex]V(\vec{x})=V(r) \quad \text{with} \quad r=|\vec{x}|[/tex]
and solve the (now ordinary) differential equation (written in Heaviside-Lorentz units)
[tex]\Delta V=-\rho \; \Rightarrow\; \frac{1}{r} \frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d} r} \left [r V(r) \right ] = -\rho(r).[/tex]
This reduces the problem to two simple integrations.
 

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