Question about isothermal work why heat is not affected

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The discussion revolves around the concept of isothermal work in physical chemistry, specifically addressing the relationship between heat and work in a system where temperature remains constant. Participants explore the nature of heat, its generation, and the mechanisms involved in energy transfer during isothermal processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that internal energy is the sum of work done on a system and heat supplied, and in an isothermal process, there is no change in internal energy, leading to the equation -q=w.
  • Another participant references Joule's experiment to explain how work can be converted into heat energy, mentioning that viscosity plays a role in this energy dissipation.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the existence of heat without a temperature difference and seeks clarification on the source of heat when work is done, questioning the microscopic processes involved.
  • It is suggested that work is transformed into heat through dissipative processes like friction and viscosity, with an acknowledgment that a complete microscopic model for these processes is not yet established.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a range of understandings regarding the relationship between heat and work in isothermal conditions, with no consensus reached on the microscopic mechanisms involved in heat generation during work. Some views are exploratory and seek clarification, while others provide explanations based on existing experiments.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the microscopic models of dissipative processes and the definitions of heat in the context of isothermal work.

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This discussion may be useful for students and individuals interested in physical chemistry, particularly those exploring the concepts of thermodynamics and energy transfer in systems.

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What I think I understand so far:
Internal energy is the sum of work done on a system and heat supplied to the system.
In an isothermal case there is no change in temperature therefor internal energy has no change. therefor -q=w

Question: Why is there heat? I thought heat is the energy flow formed from temperature differences. I'm confused as to what heat is and why it is not effect in an isothermal case.

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If I understand your question, you are asking how work is converted into heat: Joule's experiment. His experiment showed that work energy can be converted into heat energy. The specific mechanism in Joule's experiment is viscosity-viscosity acts to dissipate energy.
 
Ok I think I understand. My problem was: how can there be heat if there is no temperature difference, and your answer is that it is evolved from work.
Sorry I'll stop after this question.
Where is the heat coming from when work is done?
What happens is the microscopic level when work is done. Does the molecule run out of its ability to do work and then the remaining property is converted to heat? Or is heat evolved because the molecules are moving which releases heat? I heard when electrons move they generate a magnetic field, so maybe when atoms move they generate heat?
 
Work is transformed into heat via friction/viscosity (dissipative processes). We do not yet have a microscopic model of dissipative processes- we are currently unable to 'explain' friction or viscosity in terms of the 4 basic forces (gravity, e&m, strong, weak) because those forces are conservative forces- 'lossless', if you like.
 
Thanks Resnick for your time and quick replies. I enjoy learning about physical chemistry and hopefully later I will contribute back to this forum.
 

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