Question about magnetic fields (electromagnet)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of magnetic fields in relation to electromagnets and the effects of moving a permanent magnet away from an electromagnet. Participants explore concepts such as induction, Lenz's law, and the direction of current and compass deflection in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Mike presents initial rules regarding magnetic fields and current direction, expressing confusion about a specific diagram related to the movement of a permanent magnet away from an electromagnet.
  • Another participant notes that the problem involves induction and suggests reviewing Faraday's law of induction to understand the direction of induced currents.
  • Mike later claims to have resolved the issue, stating that Lenz's law indicates the electromagnet's field will repel the approaching magnet, leading to a conclusion about the direction of the electromagnet's magnetic field when the magnet moves away.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as Mike's initial confusion is addressed with differing approaches to understanding the problem, and the discussion reflects varying levels of clarity and understanding regarding the concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the complexities of induction and the specific conditions under which the magnetic interactions occur, leaving some assumptions and definitions unaddressed.

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Hi guys,

So far I am aware of these rules regarding magnetic fields/direction of current:

A compass needle point is attracted to a south pole (or inversely repelled by a north pole).

Left hand rule #2: For an electromagnet, point thumb toward north pole, fingers curl in direction of current (up or down the front).

However there is a diagram I've been looking at for some time and I can't figure out how it's possible! I have the answer I just can't work in reverse to try to discover this rule: what effect does moving a permanent AWAY from an electromagnet, with its north pole closest to the electromagnet, regard current direction, and compass deflection (compass placed on the opposite side).

I've attached an image of the diagram with the answer included (multiple choice, it has a check by it).

Thanks,
Mike.
 

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This type of problem is a good deal more complicated than the examples you gave. This involved "Induction", and changing currents, and electric & magnetic fields.

Try reading up on the phenomenon of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday%27s_law_of_induction" which tells you in which direction the currents will be induced.

Once you've done that, ask about anything that doesn't make sense; or if you still have trouble with the problem.
 
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Thanks, I'll check that out.
 
Ah, I figured it out! As a magnet moves towards an electromagnet, Lenz' law tells us that the electromagnet's magnetic field will attempt to REPEL the magnet.. (oppose the force)

So if a magnet with a north pole facing the electromagnet was moving AWAY from the electromagnet, the side of the electromagnet facing the moving magnet would attempt to attract it, thus being south. Once that's established the question is easy.

Thanks!
 

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