Question about P=V*I, P=R*I^2 and V=R*I (electricity)

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The discussion revolves around the relationships between power (P), voltage (V), current (I), and resistance (R) in electrical systems, particularly focusing on power loss in high voltage transmission lines. Participants explore the implications of increasing voltage and decreasing current to minimize power loss, while also addressing potential contradictions in the application of Ohm's law.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that increasing voltage while decreasing current reduces power loss on transmission lines, suggesting that power loss is proportional to the square of the current (I^2).
  • Another participant distinguishes between power delivered to the load and power lost in the distribution line, indicating that the latter is calculated using the formula I^2*R.
  • Concerns are raised about apparent contradictions when applying Ohm's law, particularly regarding how changes in voltage and current affect power calculations.
  • A participant mentions that the voltage delivered at the receiving end is affected by voltage loss along the line, complicating the analysis of power delivered to the load.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of their calculations and the relationships between power, voltage, and current. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the apparent contradictions in the application of the formulas.

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Participants highlight the complexity of the situation, including the need to account for voltage loss in transmission lines and the distinction between different types of power being discussed.

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This is my first post, and hopefully it's in the right section (my apologies if not!)...I have posted this on Answers, but there weren't any helpful responses there, so I though this might be a better crowd to ask.

Ok, we were taught in our science (electricity) class that in order to reduce power loss (P) on high voltage power lines, they increase the voltage (V) and reduce the current (I), which makes P go down by the square of I. So with this formula:

1) If V goes up by 10, then I goes down by 10, since P=VI
So if I goes down by 10, then P goes down by 100, since P=R*I^2

But this doesn't make sense when you put it into Ohm's law:

2) If V goes up 10 and R is constant, then I goes up 10. Using V=I*R
So if I goes up by 10 then P goes up by 100, since P=R*I^2

Also, in 1), why are the two "P"s different? (in P=V*R, P should be constant, but in the P=R*I^2 part, P goes up 100) Are they different types of P?

Any insight on this we be really appreciated!
 
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First, you should distinguish between the power being delivered to the load
and power being 'wasted' in the power distribution line.

The power delivered to the load, call it Pd, is V*I at the receiving end.
The power lost in transit, your P, is the I^2*R loss on the line.

The idea is to reduce the I^2*R loss on the transmission line for a given constant
power Pd being delivered to the load. The I^2*R loss on the line is accompanied
by an end-to-end voltage loss on the line: DV = I*R. Note that DV is not V.

A careful analysis will reveal that it is a tad more complicated, because the voltage
delivered at the receiving end is actually V - DV, so the power delivered to the load
will really be (V - DV)*I. We want DV to be small compared to V.
 
It's nice to see a good question and a good answer come from two first time posters.
 
Good explanation from gneill
This diagram may help to see what's happening.
The figures are just chosen for illustration.
Cable has 10 ohm resistance, supply has 1000W power.
It could be supplied at, for example, 1000V x 1A (top) or 500V x 2A (bottom)
powerloss.png
 
Wow thank you both so much! Your answers put together helped me understand perfectly.
Good stuff ^^
 

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